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Hyroglyphx
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Message 571 of 610 (860763)
08-11-2019 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 570 by AZPaul3
08-11-2019 4:25 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
If you don't want to be confused for a duck stop quacking like one.

Your collection of CNN narrative, false allegations does not make it so. I know in your extremist mind all you have to do is make the allegation, but in the real world you have to qualify and substantiate an allegation. If you're not interested in having an actual conversation then go sulk in the corner and move aside for people that do.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


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Message 572 of 610 (860765)
08-11-2019 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2019 4:39 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
So you are blind to and deny the alt-Reich origins of your pieces?

As Trump is for the Russians you're a useful idiot for the global Alt-Reich?

Btw. You're entitled to whatever beliefs you want. You want to spread hatred, fear, and right wing propaganda you can do that. Just don't bitch about being compared to Nazis when you do what Nazis do.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 573 of 610 (860767)
08-11-2019 5:41 PM
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08-11-2019 5:06 PM


Come back and defend yourself against this false accusation, Hyro
I haven't seen Hyro express anything but normal conservative views, nothing alt right and nothing Nazi, which like "racist" are just the usual smear tactics of the Left. And I certainly hope this false narrative about Trump's supposed connection to Russia finally gets killed but I know how determined the Left is to keep it up.
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Message 574 of 610 (860768)
08-11-2019 6:01 PM
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08-11-2019 5:41 PM


Re: Come back and defend yourself against this false accusation, Hyro
Faith writes:

I haven't seen Hyro express anything but normal conservative views, nothing alt right and nothing Nazi, which like "racist" are just the usual smear tactics of the Left.

Yes, today's conservative is far closer to standard fascist ideology than at anytime in my memory.


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Message 575 of 610 (860769)
08-11-2019 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2019 1:51 PM


Re: The global tentacles of white nationalism
How pervasive is it theorized to be?

I don't know whether this will answer the question, but here is a snippet from the article:

The Times analyzed more than 12 million available links from over 18,000 domains to four prominent far-right sites — Nyheter Idag, Samhallsnytt, Fria Tider and Nya Tider. The data was culled by Mr. Lindholm from two search engine optimization tools and represents a snapshot of all known links through July 2....

Over all, more than one in five links were from non-Swedish language sites. English-language sites, along with Norwegian ones, linked the most, nearly a million times. But other European-language far-right sites — Russian but also Czech, Danish, German, Finnish and Polish — were also frequent linkers.

The Times identified 356 domains that linked to all four Swedish sites.

Many are well known in American far-right circles. Among them is the Gatestone Institute, a think tank whose site regularly stokes fears about Muslims in the United States and Europe. Its chairman until last year was John R. Bolton, now Mr. Trump’s national security adviser, and its funders have included Rebekah Mercer, a prominent wealthy Trump supporter.

Other domains that linked to all four Swedish sites included Stormfront, one of the oldest and largest American white supremacist sites; Voice of Europe, a Kremlin-friendly right-wing site; a Russian-language blog called Sweden4Rus.nu; and FreieWelt.net, a site supportive of the AfD in Germany.

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I should mention, in case it wasn't clear from my initial post: The article focuses on the rise of the alt-right in Sweden. Presumably because the rise of the alt-right in Sweden was so dramatic and, in some ways, unexpected, and because false stories about Muslim "no -go zones" in Swedish cities and Trump's cite of a Fox news story of immigrant violence in Sweden.

Although the article mentions the various countries' alt-right groups inviting each other to each other's meetings as speakers and how they use each other's false news stories, the article mainly focuses on Russia as an important source and clearing house of disinformation.

Also, the article confines itself mainly to groups that are bona fidely alt-right, although it also points out how disinformation has helped alt-right views to seep into the mainstream political discourse.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 576 of 610 (860770)
08-11-2019 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by AZPaul3
08-11-2019 5:06 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Btw. You're entitled to whatever beliefs you want. You want to spread hatred, fear, and right wing propaganda you can do that. Just don't bitch about being compared to Nazis when you do what Nazis do.

Good 'ole Godwin's Law at its best... When you can't make an argument, just derail the thread by calling your opponent a "Nazi." I suppose it would just be easier to smear you as a no good commie because you espouse beliefs shared by ANTIFA, but that really wouldn't advance what could be enriching dialogue in search for common ground. Maybe I'm just not as woke as you.

"A paradox for our time: The far Left is disproportionately white, wealthy, and well-educated. So extreme “wokeness” is now one of the most glaring symptoms of “white privilege.” -- Sam Harris

Geez, maybe you like white people more than I do!


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 577 of 610 (860771)
08-11-2019 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 573 by Faith
08-11-2019 5:41 PM


Re: Come back and defend yourself against this false accusation, Hyro
I haven't seen Hyro express anything but normal conservative views, nothing alt right and nothing Nazi, which like "racist" are just the usual smear tactics of the Left.

The truth is that racism is not more pervasive than ever, its that our collective threshold for what qualifies as racism has diminished to absurd levels. The Far-Left finds power in division -- they erect bogeymen to create in themselves some Robin Hood, Che Guevara-esque quality they think they possess. The truth is the misery is what gives them a deep and abiding sense of purpose -- like a pig wallowing in the mud. In their deluded minds the only way to elevate another race is to push another down. They don't want equality in practice, they only want it in principle.

Here's an example of the patronizing tone clearly meant to signal her virtues.

I can talk to those white women in the suburbs.... LOL! How patronizing.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 578 of 610 (860772)
08-11-2019 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 576 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2019 6:15 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Geez, maybe you like white people more than I do!

Wouldn't be surprised if most of us here liked all people more then you do.

Humans deserve respect, help and freedom, not the hate, fear and white supremacist propaganda you seem to favor.

If respect, help and freedom for people is shared by Antifa then I'm good with that. Go ahead, paint me with that brush.

that really wouldn't advance what could be enriching dialogue in search for common ground.

I don't want common ground with the alt-Reich. Chamberlain tried that and 80 million people ended up dead.

The goal here, Hyro, is not to accommodate the alt-reich but to stomp its head in before it breeds into the monster it is trying to become ... again.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 579 of 610 (860773)
08-11-2019 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 575 by Chiroptera
08-11-2019 6:02 PM


Re: The global tentacles of white nationalism
Let me first thank you your civil and constructive tone. It is appreciated.

quote:
Over all, more than one in five links were from non-Swedish language sites. English-language sites, along with Norwegian ones, linked the most, nearly a million times. But other European-language far-right sites — Russian but also Czech, Danish, German, Finnish and Polish — were also frequent linkers.

The Times identified 356 domains that linked to all four Swedish sites.


I think the biggest problem is the widening gulf that exists between Far Right and Far Left politics tend to be the loudest and they're drowning voices closer towards the middle. In a way, I see them fueling one another more so than they combat one another. I think it is amplifying the problem and is pulling once saner minds further to the extreme fringes. I really don't like the trend I'm seeing. Looks reminiscent of the days leading up to WWII -- crazy people convinced of the rightness of their position and willing to kill others to prove it.

Other domains that linked to all four Swedish sites included Stormfront, one of the oldest and largest American white supremacist sites; Voice of Europe, a Kremlin-friendly right-wing site; a Russian-language blog called Sweden4Rus.nu; and FreieWelt.net, a site supportive of the AfD in Germany.

I've always viewed white nationalism as fringe elements that really didn't possess substantial numbers to be all that threatening -- kind of like a crazy, racist uncle that talks shit when he gets drunk and you have to put him in check. And while I still think much of it is probably being overblown, I do think their ranks are swelling nevertheless, and that is problematic. If you can exist in a mindset that if only we had a society filled with X and that ridding said society of Y, you're living in a delusion. A homogenous society can work, we have examples of it (Russia, Japan, etc). And then we have examples where it doesn't work (North Korea). We also have examples of multicultural societies working (US, UK, Canada, etc). And we have examples where its starting to break down (Sweden, France, etc).

I see Far Right extremism and Far Left extremism as reactionary to the other. We need to cool it down and meet in the middle. People aren't born racist, they're taught. And people that were once non-racist become racist, just people once racist and become non-racist. But we do have a problem... its an open wound that is festering and we need to be treating the disease not the symptoms.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 580 of 610 (860775)
08-11-2019 7:02 PM
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08-11-2019 6:44 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Humans deserve respect, help and freedom, not the hate, fear and white supremacist propaganda you seem to favor.

There you again, convinced of my collusion with "white supremacist propaganda." Your reason? I guess because I'm not self-effacing enough for you? Or I don't exude white guilt? I don't get it. Maybe you can clearly diagram what is that I do or say that convinces you so thoroughly of it. When have I ever shied away from saying something controversial? If I was all the things you said I am, I would flatly tell you.

If respect, help and freedom for people is shared by Antifa then I'm good with that. Go ahead, paint me with that brush.

Then you have no objectivity, in which case its actually pointless to try to talk to you.

he goal here, Hyro, is not to accommodate the alt-reich but to stomp its head in before it breeds into the monster it is trying to become ... again.

But you're not attacking the Alt-Right, you're accusing people of being Alt-Right that aren't. The reality is that I'm just not extreme enough for your liking. I'm sorry I'm not an extremist. You're balls deep in a cult right now and you can't see the forest from the trees. Good luck to you on your journey.


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Faith
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Message 581 of 610 (860776)
08-11-2019 7:11 PM
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08-11-2019 7:02 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Thank you for arguing this and being sane because if I were alone in this kind of discussion I'd find it very hard to keep my promise to avoid blowing up at people.
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Faith
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Message 582 of 610 (860777)
08-11-2019 7:21 PM
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08-11-2019 6:44 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Has to be a personal attack, doesn't it? Character assassination.

Associating Antifa with respect, help and freedom for people, and associating Hyro with Nazism reminds me of Nazis calling the Jews vermin and The Hutus calling the Tutsis cockroaches and I assume you now where it led in both those cases. Not where you want it to lead, but by then it will be too late to see your error.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 583 of 610 (860778)
08-11-2019 7:25 PM
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08-11-2019 7:02 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
The reality is that I'm just not extreme enough for your liking. I'm sorry I'm not an extremist.

When you look at the web sites of each camp what are the positions being advocated?

On the left they are pushing universal healthcare, universal education, jobs programs and welfare.

On the right they are pushing building walls, more/bigger tax cuts for the super wealthy, armed troops and concentration camps.

The left is for improving the human condition while the right is for preserving the wealth and dominance of the chosen race.

The alt-Reich vids *you* chose to post on this forum were not about helping people in times of dire need but were about preserving the advantages of your white race.

And we’re supposed to not see the white supremacy in your message?

Bullshit.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 584 of 610 (860781)
08-11-2019 7:55 PM
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08-11-2019 7:25 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Most people would at least to a hard look at their views if Faith supported them. But when you are hard right you really have no choice but go along with Faith.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 585 of 610 (860782)
08-11-2019 8:08 PM
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08-11-2019 6:49 PM


Re: The global tentacles of white nationalism
All the people who planned and executed 9/11 would fit in a football stadium, just like Tucker Carlson's whitewashing white supremacists.

We have a body count that makes them significant.


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