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Theodoric
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Message 766 of 919 (862355)
09-04-2019 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 759 by Faith
09-04-2019 11:00 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
You said you determined it was a forgery. If you determined it was a forgery you must have had some reasons. What were the reasons?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 767 of 919 (862356)
09-04-2019 11:07 AM
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09-04-2019 11:04 AM


Re: Deporting sick kids to die
You can stop lying about me any time now.

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Faith
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Message 768 of 919 (862357)
09-04-2019 11:08 AM
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09-04-2019 11:06 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
I gave the reasons a long time ago but they're all based on memory at least ten years old. Different typing, strange name.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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JonF
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Message 769 of 919 (862359)
09-04-2019 11:27 AM
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09-04-2019 11:03 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Stand by ...

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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JonF
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Message 770 of 919 (862360)
09-04-2019 11:28 AM
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09-04-2019 11:07 AM


Re: Deporting sick kids to die
You can stop lying about me any time now.

You can support or decry killing brown kids any time now.

You've refused to do so for several days.

Why?

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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JonF
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Message 771 of 919 (862361)
09-04-2019 11:29 AM
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09-04-2019 11:04 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Then ignore me, I've said where I stand and that's that.

Truth be damned, right?

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JonF
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Message 772 of 919 (862364)
09-04-2019 11:42 AM
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09-04-2019 11:03 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
The link goes to an Error page again.

No, it goes to a page that downloads the audio file which must be opened in Windows Media player. But I've no put it in YouTube. THe conversation about birthplace starts at 4:00.


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dwise1
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Message 773 of 919 (862365)
09-04-2019 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 761 by Faith
09-04-2019 11:02 AM


Your opinions are just your opinions, heavy with hatred of Trump, they carry no weight whatever..

Except for the facts that back them up. You know what facts are, don't you? That "f-word" that you hate so much.

Look at that quote again:

quote:
The fence was different from the wall Trump promised to build on the campaign trail, which he said would be made of "hardened concrete" as tall as "95 stories" with a "very big, very beautiful door."

How tall is 95 stories? Trump's Manhattan phallic symbol, Trump Tower, is only 58 stories tall (664 feet), so Trump's dreamed of wall would be 1.64 times as tall at about 1,090 feet.

We could also compare it to another massive structure, this one built of concrete: Boulder Dam. At 726.4 feet tall, Boulder Dam would be only 2/3rds as tall as Trump's 95-story wall. Construction cost was $664 million in 2018 dollars and it is only 1,244 ft long (about 1/3 mile). It took about five years to complete. The border is 1,954 miles long. Using Boulder Dam as the metric, Trump's 95-story wall would cost nearly $4 trillion and take thousands of years to complete -- Trump would have died in prison long before the completion of his new phallic symbol.

Boulder Dam is so massive that there's still concrete inside it that hasn't cured. Indeed, the problems posed by working with that much concrete were daunting (Boulder Dam: Concrete):

quote:
Since concrete heats and contracts as it cures, the potential for uneven cooling and contraction of the concrete posed a serious problem. Bureau of Reclamation engineers calculated that if the dam were to be built in a single continuous pour, the concrete would take 125 years to cool, and the resulting stresses would cause the dam to crack and crumble. Instead, the ground where the dam would rise was marked with rectangles, and concrete blocks in columns were poured, some as large as 50 ft square (15 m) and 5 feet (1.5 m) high. Each five-foot form contained a set of 1-inch (25 mm) steel pipes; cool riverwater would be poured through the pipes, followed by ice-cold water from a refrigeration plant. When an individual block had cured and had stopped contracting, the pipes were filled with grout. Grout was also used to fill the hairline spaces between columns, which were grooved to increase the strength of the joints.

Now it's your turn to show us that Trump's dream of a wall is not absolutely ridiculous and a gargantuan waste.

Now this past week we had Trump ordering his minions to break any law it takes to get his wall built -- he assured them that he would pardon them (this guy is so incredibly self-impeaching). That includes seizing private lands from private citizen. Rep Will Hurd, whose district is on that border, knows all too well how strongly his constituents feel about private property rights and therefore how well Trump seizing their lands for a ludicrous boondoggle will go over. Add to that how big gun ownership is in Texas.

Add to all that the simple fact that a wall is the most expensive and least effective way to secure a border. It is more effective to put that funding where it will actually do something to protect our border.

So then, it's not just my own opinion, but rather the facts which expose Trump's "95-story" wall as totally useless waste.

And, yes, I do hate Trump, that cheap criminal who is destroying our country and our economy and international relations at the bidding of his Russian masters. But of course you're just fine with that.


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Faith
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Message 774 of 919 (862367)
09-04-2019 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 772 by JonF
09-04-2019 11:42 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Thanks.

She clearly says at first, yes she was present when he was born. About 4:30

Then there are more words in the Kenyan language and a long silence, after which it starts being said that no, he was born in America, in Hawaii etc etc etc.

She clearly originally said yes she was present when he was born. I think that one's a hard one to rationalize away. The silence followed by the "correction" is what seems to me to be the indication that she or someone realized saying she was present when he was born was not the "right" answer, not because it wasn't true but because it was politically incorrect.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 775 of 919 (862368)
09-04-2019 12:01 PM
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09-04-2019 11:47 AM


I leave it to Trump and his advisors to decide what sort of wall is best, since your opinions really mean nothing to me at all. I've heard that the border patrol really want a continuous strong wall, that it would really help them.

And Trump did no such thing as "order his minions" to break the law. He makes jokes that go over people's heads.


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ringo
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Message 776 of 919 (862369)
09-04-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 774 by Faith
09-04-2019 11:56 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:

The silence followed by the "correction" is what seems to me to be the indication that she or someone realized saying she was present when he was born was not the "right" answer, not because it wasn't true but because it was politically incorrect.


Or maybe it was just the right answer. People make mistakes and correct themselves every day.

“Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.”
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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JonF
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Message 777 of 919 (862370)
09-04-2019 12:08 PM
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09-04-2019 11:56 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
She was there when Barack Hussein Obama was born. After that she emphatically said that Barack Hussein Obama junior was born in America.

I see you have no evidence for anyone saying anything support your claim. If someone was saying something to her why not "not Barack Hussein Obama senior, Barack Hussein Obama junior"?

Plus you can't find anything wrong with his birth certificate.


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Faith
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Message 778 of 919 (862372)
09-04-2019 12:25 PM
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09-04-2019 12:08 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
True. You believe what you think is evidence, I believe what I heard.

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Theodoric
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Message 779 of 919 (862374)
09-04-2019 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 768 by Faith
09-04-2019 11:08 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
So you have no reasons. ****? There is no other birth certificate. The one posted is it. If you have no evidence it is a forgery quit claiming that you do.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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JonF
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Message 780 of 919 (862375)
09-04-2019 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by Faith
09-04-2019 12:25 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
You didn't hear anybody telling her to change her story.

What she said was true. His father was born in Kenya, he was born in the US with a valid birth certificate.


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