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JonF
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Message 781 of 917 (862376)
09-04-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 779 by Theodoric
09-04-2019 12:31 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
There is the pathetically obviously fake Kenyan birth certificate.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 782 of 917 (862379)
09-04-2019 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 775 by Faith
09-04-2019 12:01 PM


I leave it to Trump and his advisors to decide what sort of wall is best, since your opinions really mean nothing to me at all.

A 95-story wall? That's what Trump called for. What his advisors think doesn't matter, since Trump does not take advice. He doesn't know anything and he doesn't want to learn. He's living in a fantasy and selling his gullible base on that fantasy. That fantasy violates reality, but it sells because both Trump and his base are divorced from reality.

BTW, the prototypes for the wall have been tested and were easily defeated. A wall alone does not work.

... , since your opinions really mean nothing to me at all.

Understandable since I'm speaking from decades of experience living and working in the real world. I'm speaking from the perspective of reality. And we are all far too well aware of how much you hate reality.

And Trump did no such thing as "order his minions" to break the law. He makes jokes that go over people's heads.

Yes, he did. The cover-up story of "he's just joking" is now the best that the exhausted WH can come up with in their constant attempts at damage control.

It's obvious that he's not joking when he says these outrageous things. Even when he does it to deflect and divert our attention from his other malfeasances (eg, his financial shenanigans, the uncovering of revelations about his various crimes), he wants us to take them seriously in order for them to have the desired red-herring effect.

There's a Russian saying (how appropriate when talking about Trump) I learned: "Выше жопе не пердеш." ("Above the rectum, you do not fart.") There's also an interesting fact (there's that f-word again) that in the UK, "trump" means "fart". So considering from how low a source Trump's utterances come, it's virtually impossible for them to go over anybody's head. Except for those in his base, like you.

 

ABE

Actually, we have seen Trump joke so we know what it looks like.

Remember recently at the G20 in Osaka when Trump and Putin were sitting next to each other at an international press conference. For context, keep in mind that we have so much evidence of Russian interference in our elections in 2016 and their continuing offensive operations against us for 2020, all while Trump and Moscow Mitch refuse to do anything to defend our country against attack.

Trump was asked to tell Putin to not meddle in our elections. Trump was smiling and kind of chuckling as he told Putin not to meddle and even pointed his finger and Putin did an ear tug to keep from laughing out loud.

Now that is what a Trump joke really looks like.

BTW, you can find lots more clips of that from various sources on this YouTube search results page.

Also BTW, look at that image of them shaking hands and read the body language. Extending your hand palm-up is assuming the submissive position, whereas having your hand on top (palm-down) is the dominant. I've never seen Trump shaking hands with Putin without assuming the submissive position.

Edited by dwise1, : ABE


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Message 783 of 917 (862381)
09-04-2019 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by Faith
09-04-2019 12:25 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
But why are you so terrified of the simple question of why you would think that this even matters.

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Faith
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Message 784 of 917 (862385)
09-04-2019 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by dwise1
09-04-2019 12:59 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
I don't want to get into more endless meaningless conversation about this than has already happened.

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JonF
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Message 785 of 917 (862388)
09-04-2019 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by Faith
09-04-2019 1:02 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
I.e. you have no interest in truth.

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Faith
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Message 786 of 917 (862389)
09-04-2019 1:15 PM
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09-04-2019 1:11 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Gosh, couldn't it be that I have no interest in being bashed incessantly by Leftists? Not that there's any way to escape it of course no matter what I say or don't say.

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Message 787 of 917 (862390)
09-04-2019 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by Faith
09-04-2019 1:15 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:

Gosh, couldn't it be that I have no interest in being bashed incessantly by Leftists? Not that there's any way to escape it of course no matter what I say or don't say.


There's a very easy escape: When you don't know what you're talking about, don't post.

“Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.”
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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Faith
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Message 788 of 917 (862392)
09-04-2019 1:19 PM
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09-04-2019 1:18 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Ha ha. You think not posting keeps me from being bashed? Are you kidding? I get hounded to death for page after page if I don't post.

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AZPaul3
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Message 789 of 917 (862395)
09-04-2019 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by Faith
09-04-2019 12:25 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
I believe what I heard.

Just in case you haven't noticed but Obama isn’t running for anything and his national influence is not going to be altered by anything you and the right-wing do to fake his birth details.

Your Kenyan mooslim commie lefty boogy-black man should no longer be a threat to your delicate psyche.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 790 of 917 (862396)
09-04-2019 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 788 by Faith
09-04-2019 1:19 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:

I get hounded to death for page after page if I don't post.


You get hounded about the stupid things you post. If you didn't post them, you wouldn't be hounded.

“Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.”
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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JonF
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Message 791 of 917 (862398)
09-04-2019 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by Faith
09-04-2019 1:15 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Gosh, couldn't it be that I have no interest in being bashed incessantly by Leftists?

Nope, couldn't be. You could easily avoid any bashing by going away or demonstrating the slightest interest in truth. You've done neither.

How many words have you written avoiding stating your position on killing legal immigrant kids? I've proven over and over again that left and right wing agree that what I posted is what went on. It's not right versus left. It's humanity against inhumanity. You don't have the guts to admit you choose inhumanity.


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Message 792 of 917 (862399)
09-04-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 789 by AZPaul3
09-04-2019 1:47 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Just in case you haven't noticed but Obama isn’t running for anything and his national influence is not going to be altered by anything you and the right-wing do to fake his birth details.

Nor did their "Kenyan birth" fantasy have any bearing while Obama was President. But since most birthers were and still are so ignurunt of citizenship, that didn't (and still doesn't) make any difference. It just gave them an outlet for their darkest impulses and prejudices.

Since Faith is working so hard to avoid explaining why she thinks that that "Kenyan birth" fantasy means anything at all, that tells us that even she realizes what a crock it is. But because it seems to tickle some particularly dark and deep recess of her psyche, she cannot let go of it, even though she realizes that she cannot justify it in any way.

{ABE:


Another explanation of Faith's frantic avoidance of explaining her position could be that she has no idea what it is about. We have seen this situation play out over and over again over the decades when dealing with creationists on-line. All they know is how to repeat their claims, but they don't understand those claims. So when you ask them questions or try to discuss their own claims with them, they cannot do since they don't know anything about their claims except how to repeat them. So they try to bluff their way out in order to avoid discussion. The more you try to press them for discussion, the more drastic measures they take, from trying to change the subject to falsely claiming to take offense to becoming increasingly unpleasant in order to chase you off. Finally, they just run away.

That looks very much like what Faith has been doing. The question in question is why this birther claim is supposed to matter. Answering that question would require her to be able to connect the dots from her claim to her conclusion (which itself is mostly just implied). Clearly, she cannot do that, so she tries to bluff, deflect and divert, and finally she just runs away. That would support the conclusion that, in typical creationist fashion, she does not understand her own claim but won't admit it. All she knows is how to make the claim and what the conclusion is supposed to be, but she has no idea how to get from the claim to the conclusion. The problem for her is the fact that there is no way to get from her claim to her conclusion (much of which we have to assume since it is mostly just implied, which is also typical of so many aspects of creationist claims).

}

And of course there's also the boogeyman factor. When there'd be a new scandal in the Trump Administration, FOX News would instead over Hillary Clinton and demand that she be investigated and arrested -- it's the old right-wing tactic of deflect and divert, which explains some of the more outrageous things that Trump does or says (ie, when someone testifies about him, he tries to divert press attention away with some outrageous stunt). Obama serves that purpose as well. Neither of them are in government anymore, but they can still be used to whip the right-wing base into a frenzy. I think it was Jimmy Kimmel doing his man-on-the-street interviews where, well into the Trump Administration, the question was, "Should Hillary Clinton be impeached?" I think the majority said that she should be impeached even though she's not holding any office. Those people's profound ignurunce is mind-boggling.

Edited by dwise1, : {ABE}

Edited by dwise1, : Added ", which is also typical of so many aspects of creationist claims"


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JonF
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Message 793 of 917 (862435)
09-05-2019 8:55 AM


Can we include what they do to women?
Trump administration ‘rolling back women’s rights by 50 years’ by changing definitions of domestic violence and sexual assault

quote:
The Trump administration quietly changed the definition of both domestic violence and sexual assault back in April but the move has only just surfaced.

The change could have significant repercussions for millions of victims of gender-based violence.

The Trump Justice Department’s definition only considers physical harm that constitutes a felony or misdemeanour to be domestic violence – meaning other forms of domestic violence such as psychological abuse, coercive control and manipulation no longer fall under the department’s definition.

Under the Obama administration, the definition was drastically more expansive and was assessed by domestic violence organisations.

The Office on Violence against Women (OVW), part of the Department of Justice, has amended its definition of sexual assault to also focus on criminal justice aspects.

...

The Trump administration’s new definition says “the term ‘sexual assault’ means any non-consensual sexual act proscribed by Federal, tribal, or State law, including when the victim lacks capacity to consent.”

In contrast, the previous definition was more expansive, saying: “Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behaviour that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.”



  
Faith
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Message 794 of 917 (862441)
09-05-2019 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by AZPaul3
09-04-2019 1:47 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Oh it would still be of much interest to be able to prove his birth in Kenya.

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JonF
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Message 795 of 917 (862445)
09-05-2019 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 794 by Faith
09-05-2019 9:43 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
So far you've rejected an official birth certificate for no discernible reason and invented a story about what could possibly have happened in a moment of silence (with no evidence that it did happen l.

Not convincing.

Got anything else?

And how 'bout killin' dem kids?


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