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Faith
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Message 796 of 919 (862446)
09-05-2019 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 795 by JonF
09-05-2019 10:22 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Hard for me to ignore that the grandmother said so clearly that she was present at the time of his birth, and that she couldn't have been so stupid as to think anyone would be asking about her own son when she had a world-famous grandson. The silence on the phone call just gives time for a correction to be attempted. Believe what you like, this is my view of it. And again, the birth certificate I remember seeing many years ago was not the same as the one just presented here.

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AZPaul3
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Message 797 of 919 (862447)
09-05-2019 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 794 by Faith
09-05-2019 9:43 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
So the hate is so palpable you really do not want to let go. The hate is something that invigorates you, motivates your mind, makes you feel alive.

I get it. Most people gotta have something to hate. It's a part of human nature that religions exploit so well.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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JonF
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Message 798 of 919 (862448)
09-05-2019 10:59 AM
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09-05-2019 10:43 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
You believe that about the conversation all right. With no evidence that it happened.

The birth certificate presented here is the official long form Obama released. If you think you saw some other certificate that one was not official or you are misremembering. You rejected the official birth certificate for no discernible reason.

Got anything for which you have evidence?

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 799 of 919 (862449)
09-05-2019 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 797 by AZPaul3
09-05-2019 10:54 AM


Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
Gosh, if your psychoanalysis has any merit at all, it must mean by extension that you are invigorated by falsely accusing people you disagree with, which is of course the Leftist M.O. As you pointed out there is no practical reason to keep questioning Obama's birth, for me it's strictly having been convinced he was born in Kenya. Hate him, no, just think he was born in Kenya and he had quite an active political machine that engineered his Presidency. There was also the postman who remembered him from back in the day when he was known as a foreign student and yet announced that he was going to be President. Then strangely enough all his school records were put under lock and key and nobody could see that he was a FOREIGN student in those years. The political machine was working hard already back then. I could hate how corrupt American politics has become, I certainly hate Leftist ideology as a battering ram against America, but I have no reason to hate Obama himself.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 800 of 919 (862455)
09-05-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by Faith
09-05-2019 10:43 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:

... she couldn't have been so stupid as to think anyone would be asking about her own son when she had a world-famous grandson.


Happens every day. The prononuns "he", "him" and "his" make it easy to confuse one male with another. And they're both named "Barack". It's ridiculous to pretend that the lady's words could not have been momentarily confused and later clarified. She did clarify, after all.

“Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.”
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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JonF
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Message 801 of 919 (862457)
09-05-2019 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 799 by Faith
09-05-2019 11:02 AM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
The postman couldn't remember his name and his account has no corroboration.

None of his records have been sealed in any legal sense. Records that are typically confidential remain so until somebody comes up with a subpoena. Releasing school records without written permission of the subject is illegal. No other President's school records have been released except somebody illegally leaked W's grades. BTW Trump threatened to sue any school that released his records. Many of the records right-wingers have claimed are sealed are in fact publicly available.

I haven't done any psychoanalysis. I'm talking about facts and evidence.

Of course you'll dismiss all this with a wave of your hand. Dogma trumps reality as always.


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Faith
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Message 802 of 919 (862459)
09-05-2019 12:32 PM
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09-05-2019 12:17 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
The postman knew it was outside the Ayers' house where he had the conversation with the "foreign student" who had been identified as a foreign student by Mrs. Ayers.

So if the school records are available we should be able to have the information about his student status.


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Faith
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Message 803 of 919 (862460)
09-05-2019 12:36 PM
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09-05-2019 12:11 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Anyone calling from America would be asking about the Presidential candidate who was her grandson, besides which she and her family had been excited for a long time about his rise in American politics, and unless she was seriously demented which as far as I know was not the case, she would not have confused the question about him with a question about her own son. Sorry, the "clarification" was the lying part.

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Faith
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Message 804 of 919 (862462)
09-05-2019 12:46 PM
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09-05-2019 12:17 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
Sorry, but in the case of Obama we know he had all kinds of Communist connections, beginning with his own family who were Communists. He was befriended by whatshisname Ayers, a known Leftist activist, and lived with him and his wife during his student years. If he told the postman he was going to become the US President, which is what understandably stood out in the postman's memory coming from a "foreign student" which he remembered Mrs. Ayers telling him, then already back then it would appear he was being groomed for future greatness within a Communist political framework.

Which to my mind suggests all kinds of work to falsify information to further that purpose, which Communism is known for. Propaganda, and the silencing of anyone who knows the truth by whatever means is available to them. In Communist countries it's simple murder by the state, but of course they'd have to be a bit more careful here, though maybe not as careful as one might hope. Here it seems to be intimidation by character assassination that is the main weapon for silencing anyone raising inconvenient questions.

Sorry, the phone call to Kenya is clearly open to suspicion. If she'd simply right away said, no he was born in America, no problem, but that isn't how it went. And we know documents like birth certificates can be forged, and of course there would have been a strong motivation to do that.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 805 of 919 (862463)
09-05-2019 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:32 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
quote:
The postman knew it was outside the Ayers' house where he had the conversation with the "foreign student" who had been identified as a foreign student by Mrs. Ayers.

Obama wasn’t a foreign student. That’s one of the reasons we know it wasn’t him.

quote:
So if the school records are available we should be able to have the information about his student status.

Why on earth would we need that when Obama is an American citizen, who’d graduated from an American high school and continued his education in American Universities?


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JonF
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Message 806 of 919 (862464)
09-05-2019 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:32 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
They're not available without a subpoena, as is standard legal practice.

The postman's story has no corroboration.


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JonF
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Message 807 of 919 (862465)
09-05-2019 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:36 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Still no evidence.

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JonF
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Message 808 of 919 (862466)
09-05-2019 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 804 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:46 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
Still no evidence. Plenty of unsupported hysterical accusations.

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Faith
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Message 809 of 919 (862467)
09-05-2019 1:01 PM
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09-05-2019 12:55 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
Perhaps you and PaulK and AZPaul and dwise could get jobs with Putin, or the Chinese Communists. Good work of attacking the raiser of inconvenient questions.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 810 of 919 (862470)
09-05-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:36 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:

Anyone calling from America would be asking....


Woulda coulda shoulda. You're just speculating. You're trying to make a liar out of an old lady and you're hallucinating a conspiracy to force her to lie. Your position is ridiculous.

“Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.”
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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