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Theodoric
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Message 886 of 919 (863070)
09-19-2019 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Tanypteryx
09-19-2019 3:37 PM


Re: Where is the birth certificate Faith?
Hate and racism have no logic.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 887 of 919 (863071)
09-19-2019 4:52 PM
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09-19-2019 3:14 PM


Re: Where is the birth certificate Faith?
I don't think I'm "pushing" anything. I'm usually responding to something someone else says and then find myself having to keep on answering accusations and whatnot after that. I'm simply answering factually: I got convinced he was born in Kenya and I haven't seen any reason to change my mind, so when I keep getting arguments I answer them.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 888 of 919 (863074)
09-19-2019 5:07 PM
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09-19-2019 3:11 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Ideology came up because I'm being falsely accused of "hate" and "racism" for believing he was born in Kenya. This implies I have those attitudes toward Obama and that they explain why I believe he wsas born in Kenya. ideology also doesn't explan it, I'm simply saying my object5ions to him are ideological and have nothing to do with hate or racism. But of course the Lefrt is incapable of processing the truth so I keep getting falsely accused anyway.

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Message 889 of 919 (863075)
09-19-2019 5:12 PM
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09-19-2019 4:52 PM


Re: Where is the birth certificate Faith?
If you refuse to change your mind just because of the evidence that is really your problem.

The fact remains that there is solid evidence - the newspaper announcements, the birth certificate, the sworn statements - supporting the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You have nothing half as good.

Your interpretation of the grandmother’s statements is hardly solid. It’s as easily a misunderstanding or a mistake.

You haven’t produced this allegedly forged birth certificate. But you have said that it isn’t the long form certificate that we have seen here - and that would be the original.

The mailman’s story is hardly conclusive. There is no evidence that even makes it plausible that Obama was there. A misidentification is by far the most likely explanation.


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Message 890 of 919 (863076)
09-19-2019 5:14 PM
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09-19-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
quote:
Ideology came up because I'm being falsely accused of "hate" and "racism" for believing he was born in Kenya. This implies I have those attitudes toward Obama and that they explain why I believe he wsas born in Kenya. ideology also doesn't explan it, I'm simply saying my object5ions to him are ideological and have nothing to do with hate or racism.

Then why do you cling to this belief in spite of the evidence ? There has to be some reason.


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Faith
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Message 891 of 919 (863077)
09-19-2019 5:18 PM
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09-19-2019 5:12 PM


Re: Where is the birth certificate Faith?
See. As long as you continue to claim your interpretation is the correct one I'm going to answer that mine is.

The birth certificate is the long one, I just didn't recognize it. It's folded in half. I just have to go dig it out of my blog and copy out what was said about it. Three letters that should be identical throughout the form aren't, which is hard to explain based on the way the old manual typewriters worked. I'll go dig it up eventually but this kind of discussion takes a toll on my motivation.


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Message 892 of 919 (863078)
09-19-2019 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 874 by Faith
09-18-2019 8:38 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Faith writes:

I didn't want the man to be President because of his beliefs, nothing to do with his race. Wish you guys could get that much straight

But your fine with Mr. "Grab em by the Pussy" .

Edited by 1.61803, : add quote


"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 893 of 919 (863079)
09-19-2019 5:26 PM
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09-19-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Faith writes:

I'm simply saying my object5ions to him are ideological and have nothing to do with hate or racism.

What does this have to do with your obsession over his birth place? Why does that matter to you? Why is it so important to you to prove Obama was born in Kenya?

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 894 of 919 (863080)
09-19-2019 5:30 PM
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09-19-2019 5:18 PM


Re: Where is the birth certificate Faith?
quote:
See. As long as you continue to claim your interpretation is the correct one I'm going to answer that mine is.

I but I didn’t. All I claimed is that both interpretations fit what we see and hear of the interview.

quote:
The birth certificate is the long one, I just didn't recognize it. It's folded in half. I just have to go dig it out of my blog and copy out what was said about it. Three letters that should be identical throughout the form aren't, which is hard to explain based on the way the old manual typewriters worked.

It looked OK to me when I checked it. And you still haven’t produced a shred of evidence of forgery other than your opinion.

quote:
I'll go dig it up eventually but this kind of discussion takes a toll on my motivation.

If you try to defend a hopelessly shaky position it isn’t going to go well. If you have decent evidence, holding it back is the last thing you want to do.


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Message 895 of 919 (863081)
09-19-2019 5:31 PM
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09-19-2019 5:26 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Who said it's important? I already answered your questions. I only said I have ideological objections to counter the accusation that I have hate or racism toward him. None of this has to do with the Kenya question in my mind. As I said I'm just answering accusations. And now i'm answerintg yours about how it's supposedly so important to me. it isn't. I'm simply answering according to my understanding. We can stop any time. Ho hum.

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Message 896 of 919 (863086)
09-19-2019 6:01 PM
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09-19-2019 5:31 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Faith writes:

Who said it's important?

There were tons of Republicans who thought it was really important when Obama was running for President, and after he was elected. Trump even pushed this narrative. Strangely, Trump didn't say a word about his opponent in the Republican primary being born outside of the US.

So how do you explain all this sturm und drang in conservative circles over Obama's birthplace?

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 897 of 919 (863098)
09-20-2019 5:44 AM
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09-19-2019 6:01 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Looked up the subject on You Tube and found some discussions from a few years ago, one of them showing the certificate on a screen and going into great detail about various numbers on it. I was only going to post on a few letters that don't seem to fit what an old typewriter would do: that is, the same letter should appear the same wherever it occurs in the text: if one is high all should be high, if one is faded looking because it didn't strike hard enough every use of that letter should look like that. But I see that there are many other issues that can be raised about the birth certificate and I'm not up to spending time on it so I'm going to drop the subject for now.

Cheers.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 898 of 919 (863099)
09-20-2019 5:56 AM
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09-20-2019 5:44 AM


Re: Obama's birthplace
quote:
I was only going to post on a few letters that don't seem to fit what an old typewriter would do: that is, the same letter should appear the same wherever it occurs in the text: if one is high all should be high, if one is faded looking because it didn't strike hard enough every use of that letter should look like that.

With an electric typewriter maybe. With a manual typewriter then obviously the strength of the strike is down to the operator. The vertical positioning of the letters can be affected by the shift key, too.

And another thing - if the ribbon is unevenly inked (usually due to use) you’ll see faint letters when the part of the ribbon being used is low on ink.

Edited by PaulK, : Thought of ribbon issue


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Faith
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Message 899 of 919 (863100)
09-20-2019 6:15 AM
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09-20-2019 5:56 AM


Re: Obama's birthplace
But you won't see ONE faint letter between well inked letters.

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PaulK
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Message 900 of 919 (863101)
09-20-2019 6:17 AM
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09-20-2019 6:15 AM


Re: Obama's birthplace
If the operator hit the key lightly isn’t that what you would expect ?

And I don’t see why the region of low ink couldn’t be narrow enough for a single character.


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