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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Your "model" explains nothing and leads nowhere.
Why is water H2O? God did it that way. There's no use in studying chemistry, there's nothing interesting there. It's all Goddidit and there's just no explanation for the patterns. Nothing to learn there.
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Faith writes: The pattern God chose. This means your model can't predict these features.
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Faith writes: The only similar design I recall mentioning was chimp and human. And there is no implication of anything changing. There absolutely is an implication of changes. If you start with a similar design and end up with two different designs then it means there were changes to that similar design. That's how that works. Different models of Ford Ranger pickups have both differences and similarities, and this is due to changes in each model from a similar design.
Why not? Once again, your model can't explain these observations.
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Faith writes: They're all mutations, right? They are differences.
So the creation model explains them as mistakes in replication that may or may not harm the genome. Then why are there more differences between the mouse and human cytochrome c genes than between the human and chimp cytochrome c gene? Why do the introns of the cytochrome c gene differ more between human, mouse, and chimp than the exons from that gene?
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Goddidit answers all possible questions. In all of science. In all of life.
There's no reason to ask questions. No way to progress in any field. Isn't that interesting. In this one petri dish the bacteria are dead in a circle around this strange mold. Praise God! Oh well, into the recycling pile with you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith writes: The pattern God chose. You imputed that quote to me but I didn't write it, JonF did.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Your "model" explains nothing and leads nowhere. Why is water H2O? God did it that way. There's no use in studying chemistry, there's nothing interesting there. It's all Goddidit and there's just no explanation for the patterns. Nothing to learn there. This is a big fat lye. You keep saying "God did it" but I haven't said it at all, and I see no reason why science can't work from creationism just fine. We'd want to understand how the world is put together same as evolutionists do, we'd have as much reason to learn the chemical composition of things, what physics tells us, and we certainly need medicine because of the Fall. And please stop implying that I believe what you make up about God and creationism, it's all a lye. PLEASE OFFICIALLY TAKE BACK THIS FALSEHOOD. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith writes: The only similar design I recall mentioning was chimp and human. And there is no implication of anything changing. There absolutely is an implication of changes. If you start with a similar design and end up with two different designs then it means there were changes to that similar design. The "similar design" refers to TWO similar but different designs. It reads clearly to mean that to me, no idea why it doesn't to you.
That's how that works. Different models of Ford Ranger pickups have both differences and similarities, and this is due to changes in each model from a similar design. In the case of chimp and human they are completely separate designs.
Once again, your model can't explain these observations. Cue Twilight Zone theme.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then why are there more differences between the mouse and human cytochrome c genes than between the human and chimp cytochrome c gene? Why do the introns of the cytochrome c gene differ more between human, mouse, and chimp than the exons from that gene? To a creationist it's a meaningless question. It has meaning in the context of evolution but not creation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Goddidit answers all possible questions. In all of science. In all of life. There's no reason to ask questions. No way to progress in any field. Isn't that interesting. In this one petri dish the bacteria are dead in a circle around this strange mold. Praise God! Oh well, into the recycling pile with you. You seem to be confusing the basic difference between the creation of separate Kinds and the evolutionist common ancestor of all llfe with science in general. I've said nothing to justify your blanket accusation of "God did it" in any other context, it applies to the original creation, but ONLY to the original creation. There is no reason whatever that scientific questions would not be pursued in a creationist context, as I explained above in Message 382. In a fallen world we have every need for all the sciences -- the REAL sciences, that is, not the bogus "science" of evolutionism -- and for medicine in particular. "God did it" is your silly theme song, not mine. PLEASE TAKE BACK THIS FALSE IDEA. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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It's not false.
You've said that God made all the different genomes different. The answer to all questions is "Goddidit, let's go to lunch'. You already understand how the world is put together. Goddidit. You've said there's no reason to investigate and explain patterns, like the periodic table. Why on Earth would a creationist think of putting something from that strange mold into a human? With different bacteria, created by God that way. What questions about biology does your model answer differently than "Goddidit"?
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
To a creationist it's a meaningless question. It has meaning in the context of evolution but not creation.
I agree. "Goddidit, let's go to lunch".
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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You seem to be confusing the basic difference between the creation of separate Kinds and the evolutionist common ancestor of all llfe with science in general. I've said nothing to justify your blanket accusation of "God did it" in any other context, it applies to the original creation, but ONLY to the original creation.
Why? Why not to chemistry? If "Goddidit" is an acceptable answer in any science, it's an acceptable answer in all science. If there's no reason to investigate the patterns we see between different genmes, why would anyone investigate any pattern? I realize you have not used the "word" "Goddidit". It's just a brief but accurate summary of your answers about genomes. Remember?
Then what does the creation model predict for the patterns in those diffeences, or does it make any prediction at all? For example:
There is no reason that I know of why the creation model should try to explain any of that. It's all an artifact of the ToE.1. What should the pattern of differences be for transitions, transversions, and CpG's? 2. What should the pattern of differences be for a comparison of introns and exons? 3. What should the pattern of differences be between different groups of species? Can the creation model make any predictions with respect to those differences? Goddidit. Let's go to lunch.
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Faith writes: To a creationist it's a meaningless question. Then the creationist model can not explain the observed facts, as expected.
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Faith writes: The "similar design" refers to TWO similar but different designs. And yet you can't explain the pattern of those observed and factual differences. Evolution can.
In the case of chimp and human they are completely separate designs. They share 98% of their design, so they aren't separate.
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