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JonF
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Message 706 of 785 (857057)
07-05-2019 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 697 by Faith
07-04-2019 11:21 PM


Re: Flood stuff
Floods don't sort.
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Message 707 of 785 (857066)
07-05-2019 8:47 AM


Please take flood discussion to the Did the Flood really happen? thread that I've just opened.

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Message 708 of 785 (857073)
07-05-2019 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 704 by Faith
07-05-2019 8:20 AM


Re: Flood stuff
see Did the Flood really happen? Message 6
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Sarah Bellum
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Message 709 of 785 (857074)
07-05-2019 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 702 by Faith
07-05-2019 7:35 AM


Re: Flood stuff
I'll look for a flood thread and we can go there and you can explain how the Flood deposited deep layers of basalt (lava), then some sediment, then more recent lava flows and so on and so on.
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dwise1
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Message 710 of 785 (857129)
07-05-2019 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 670 by Faith
07-03-2019 9:35 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
How can I be expected to take seriously the constant refrain about how I don't understand this, that or the other when nobody ever even gives an example of what that means?

Completely and utterly false! We, the majority of us, have repeatedly for years pointed out to you what you repeatedly demonstrate that you do not understand and we have explained over and over again what you are getting wrong, how you are getting it wrong, and what it actually is and how it actually works.

Your "response" is to ignore our attempts, misconstrue them, or just plain refuse to even read them. IOW, your persistent practice of "willful stoopidity."

To explain that term, there is the question of ignorance. That is a condition of which everybody suffers -- everybody, regardless of how intelligent and knowledgeable they are, is ignorant about something. The solution to ignorance is learning about that of which we are ignorant. That is a life-long endeavor that never ends and can never fully succeed, since there will still be things of which we will still remain ignorant, but the benefits of trying to eliminate our ignorance are so great that the attempt, however futile ultimately, is still worthwhile.

There is a saying that ignorance can be cured, but stoopidity cannot. Personally, my definition of stoopidity includes the refusal to attempt to cure oneself of ignorance. It is from my personal opinion about the stubborn refusal to learn anything that I coined my term for your extreme willful ignorance, "willful stoopidity" (especially because of your practice of stubbornly choosing to not even read our attempts to help you alleviate your ignorance which is the source of your incredibly wrong ideas about just about everything).

Mostly it amounts to saying my argument is wrong because it contradicts the establishment argument, really no more than that.

Yet again, completely and utterly false!

Your "arguments" are wrong because they conflict with all known facts, including the most basic facts of how things work. Our positions and arguments are based on the facts, on the evidence, and on our understanding of how things actually work. Your "arguments" are not based on any facts, ignores the evidence, and are based on gross ignorance of how things actually work.

As long as you stubbornly refuse to learn anything and persist in your willful stoopidity, your blatherings will be wrong.


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Message 711 of 785 (857229)
07-06-2019 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by dwise1
07-05-2019 9:48 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Well, although you say I'm wrong and that you all do give examples all the time (I'm sure you do sometimes so I shouldn't say never), as a matter of fact in this very post you don't so as usual I have to wonder exactly what you are talking about.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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dwise1
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Message 712 of 785 (857235)
07-06-2019 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 711 by Faith
07-06-2019 7:28 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
I'm sorry, but just exactly what god are you supposed to be serving? A god of trolls, of liars, of hypocrites? That is what your "Christian witness" tells us clearly and in no uncertain terms. Certainly, your twisted little god bears no resemblance to the Christian God I was taught about.

How dare you put on your hypocritical little "[voice=up a few octaves to sound like a typical whiny little b####]oh poor little stoopid me, I have no idea what everybody is talking about! Why is everybody so angry with me when all I'm doing is lie about everything to the faces of those who know full well what perversions I am committing?[/voice]" act. That is pure bullshirt and you know it!

I'm not the only one to reply to your Message 670. Reread JonF's reply Message 686 which you have not replied to! Reread Percy's reply Message 691 which you have not replied to! Just ignoring the facts does not make them go away.

Here again is what Percy wrote in his Message 691:

quote:
I really wish you wouldn't make yourself the topic of discussion, but if you insist on making false claims about yourself then others will be forced to correct you.
How can I be expected to take seriously the constant refrain about how I don't understand this, that or the other when nobody ever even gives an example of what that means?

It is the rare message from you that doesn't contain multiple factual errors, and people have corrected you many, many times. You have no excuse for understanding biology and geology as poorly today as when you joined nearly 18 years ago.

You don't, JonF doesn't, but it's said all the time.

Everyone has provided a multitude of examples over many years of what you don't understand, often providing the factual basis.

If an example IS ever given then I can answer it, because it never really amounts to much and doesn't threaten anything I've been arguing though that's of course what the accusation implies. Mostly it amounts to saying my argument is wrong because it contradicts the establishment argument, really no more than that. So I just shrug off these endless empty accusations.

You are as delusional about the quality of your views as you are about the degree of your scientific understanding.

--Percy


Why haven't you replied to his message? Because you know that he is absolutely correct in his assessment of you? Because even you cannot possibly maintain the extreme levels of delusion that your mission from your perverted little god (not to be confused with the Christian God) requires of you?

What are your god's names? The Troll God? The Lord of Lies? It is through your perverted witness that we know your god and your religion and we know how thoroughly false and perverted they are. The sooner that they perish from this earth, the better off all of humanity will be.


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Message 713 of 785 (857248)
07-07-2019 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 712 by dwise1
07-06-2019 8:20 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
I thlnk I'm saying perfectly innocent true things and your hair-trigger rage reaction is incomprehensible and upsetting. As of now until further notice I will not be responding to anything you write.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 714 of 785 (857291)
07-07-2019 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 713 by Faith
07-07-2019 3:00 AM


Re: Creationist mindset
You are far from innocent. You deliberately troll us. Why? So you can manufacture fake excuses to ignore the truth even more?

We have your "Christian witness". We know exactly what you are.


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Message 715 of 785 (857293)
07-07-2019 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by dwise1
07-07-2019 11:21 AM


Re: Creationist mindset
That doesn't mean you can't be better.

Enjoy


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Message 716 of 785 (857295)
07-07-2019 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 715 by RAZD
07-07-2019 12:10 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Read Message 712 again.

Faith was yet again playing her fake innocence game that nobody ever tells her why she's wrong. You've been on the receiving end of that yourself over the years. But this time both JonF (Message 686) and Percy (Message 691) had already replied to her detailing (Percy especially) her transgressions. She did not reply to either message, but instead repeated her same tired old lie.

She's lying to us, to our faces. I guess you're cool with that, but I respect the truth too much.


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Message 717 of 785 (857296)
07-07-2019 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 715 by RAZD
07-07-2019 12:10 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Bullshit. We are under no requirement to "act better" than the resident *****. Rules apply to all or to none. Dwise1 has no responsibility to take some proverbial "higher road". Trolls and liars need to be called out at every turn. If not then their bullshit and lies are assumed accepted by the silence.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 718 of 785 (857298)
07-07-2019 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 716 by dwise1
07-07-2019 12:44 PM


not lying
Faith is too stupid to understand what she's being told. It is an utter waste of time to try.

However, I do see that, IMO, no one is trying to go slowly enough through her errors. Even someone with a IQ only a bit below normal would have trouble.


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Message 719 of 785 (857299)
07-07-2019 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 717 by Theodoric
07-07-2019 1:04 PM


rules and personal obligations
Bullshit. We are under no requirement to "act better" than the resident *****. ...

Rule 10. The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

The question is whether or not you can provide an example of the kind of post you want to read. It's your choice.

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Theodoric
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Message 720 of 785 (857301)
07-07-2019 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 719 by RAZD
07-07-2019 1:10 PM


Re: rules and personal obligations
A rule that is not enforced evenly is no rule at all.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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