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AZPaul3
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Message 721 of 785 (857302)
07-07-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 716 by dwise1
07-07-2019 12:44 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
She's lying to us, to our faces.

Is she?

I understand your frustrations but might it be that Our Lady Of Faith is an actual bonafide batshit crazy religious person with delusions of sanity?

As calculus is beyond the mental grasp of a 4th grader so reality is beyond the mental grasp of this poor demented crazy person?

Think bag lady flailing around mumbling in the corner of the parking lot with nothing in her grocery cart but a bible.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Percy
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Message 722 of 785 (857307)
07-07-2019 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 713 by Faith
07-07-2019 3:00 AM


Re: Creationist mindset
Hi Faith,

I continue to encourage you to avoid commenting on yourself, because it makes it acceptable to respond about you.

Faith writes:

I think I'm saying perfectly innocent true things...

A discussion style that includes ignoring many facts, many arguments, and very often entire messages, that includes refusing to examine much evidence, that instigates through constant misrepresentation, that picks and chooses who deserves replies, is not how someone "saying perfectly innocent true things" operates. It is much more the style of someone dishonest and afraid of the truth.

As of now until further notice I will not be responding to anything you write.

You drew DWise1's ill-considered response in Message 712 by accusing him of not providing examples in Message 710. You've been provided examples, explanation and evidence of your errors by many, many people time and time again, including DWise1, and pretending that's never been done invites that kind of the response.

Please stop making claims of what a wonderful person you are because you are not the topic, and you are so obviously an example of the opposite that it can't help but draw responses. This thread has a topic and it's the Flood, not you.

--Percy


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edge
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Message 723 of 785 (857313)
07-07-2019 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 721 by AZPaul3
07-07-2019 1:14 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
At the risk of continuing off topic, I think it might be a 'good conversation to have' about lying and forum courtesy.

Is she?

I understand your frustrations but might it be that Our Lady Of Faith is an actual bonafide batshit crazy religious person with delusions of sanity?

As calculus is beyond the mental grasp of a 4th grader so reality is beyond the mental grasp of this poor demented crazy person?

Think bag lady flailing around mumbling in the corner of the parking lot with nothing in her grocery cart but a bible.


I agree, I don't believe that a 'true believer' is necessarily lying. They firmly believe what they say. I think that a lie implies the intent to deceive or report false information. While the information is false, if someone believes it, then it is not necessarily a lie. The question becomes one of when can a deceiver be considered consciously corrected. In this case, our experience says 'never'. So, as Ned stated, it's all a waste of time.

Having said this, I think it is also true that the casual dismissal (without evidence or reason) of someone's extensive and carefully written post strains the fabric of forum civility and should be discouraged.

I mean, did we really expect this thread to go any differently?


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Percy
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Message 724 of 785 (857318)
07-07-2019 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 718 by NosyNed
07-07-2019 1:05 PM


Re: not lying
NosyNed writes:

However, I do see that, IMO, no one is trying to go slowly enough through her errors.

I've been tempted to do that a number of times already in this thread, and then I think back to all the detailed and carefully laid out responses that have been completely ignored over the years, as in no reply to the message whatsoever, or briefly dismissed as speculation or interpretation or supposition. RAZD has attempted it in this thread, and here's how it has gone with his messages that were responses to Faith:

MessageNum WordsFaith's ResponseNum Words
Message 27505Message 2890
Message 42102none--
Message 218139Message 21937
Message 248263Message 249144
Message 326397none--
Message 391379Message 39427
Message 400215Message 401206
Message 4311585
(2 images)
Message 440
Message 445
Message 460
Message 471
Message 473
Message 476
Message 479
48 (images too bright)
551
1155
1263
1063 (put images in Word)
206
1398
Message 43469Message 43961
Message 447110Message 450436
Message 45536none--
Message 482231none--
Message 493579none--
Message 496680Message 498171
Message 497373none--
Message 5041201none--
Message 511793none--
Message 5161064none--
Message 517920Message 519103
Message 523210Message 528394
Message 524414Message 529
Message 539
885
1550
Message 540146 (1 image)none--
Message 541391none--
Message 543559none--
Message 5501351Message 55253
Message 557448 (cut-n-paste excised)Message 569
Message 573
28
238
Message 580597Message 581133
Message 587860Message 58826
Message 607139none--
Message 628319Message 630588
Message 633509 (3 images)Message 63719
Message 642148none--
Message 693411none--
Message 7051056 (4 images)none--
Message 7088none--

A few of Faith's responses are lengthy, and that might lead one to think she's actually engaging in discussion, but if you actually read them she is dismissing the response and redescribing from scratch her views without modification.

--Percy


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Message 725 of 785 (857319)
07-07-2019 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by edge
07-07-2019 3:05 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
There is no way to resolve this. What Percy says is true, though in a way I've said it myself, it's just totally unacceptable at EvC. All I want is some acknowledgement of my own point of view and that never happens. As a result I don't pay any attention at all to anybody else's point of view except now and then to identify a concept I know I'm going to have to deal with eventually. But it's true I don't pay attention to anybody's posts any more and the longer they are the less I can put my mind to them. I absolutely cannot even read Percy's posts any more, they are nothing but complaints about me. All true, yes, but as long as I my creationist view is treated like trash, which it always has been and always will be I can't put any energy into more arguments against it. So another chorus of ****** from my enemies about how I shouldn't even be here and they're probably right. I've argued the Flood to death and just find I can barely muster the energy to write anything on it any more, and on that thread I'm getting barraged by hundreds of topics, all without even a nod of slight approval to anything I've said. I suppose that doesn't suffice to justify my ignoring others but I can't do anything else.

Now this post was an attempt to be clear and honest, but I've written such posts many times in the past and they just get trashed too. So there's maybe no way to say anything at all, and I need to go elsewhere to work on my creationist views.

Edited by Admin, : Rerender after correcting the regular expression for a disallowed word.


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Message 726 of 785 (857320)
07-07-2019 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by Faith
07-07-2019 4:23 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
All I want is some acknowledgement of my own point of view and that never happens.

We regularly acknowledge your point of view while pointing out your errors.

You don't want acknowledgement. You want unthinking acceptance of your claims. Which requires discarding all scientific knowledge and logic.

Ain't happening unless you start connecting with reality.


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Faith
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Message 727 of 785 (857321)
07-07-2019 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 726 by JonF
07-07-2019 4:37 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Yes that's exactly what I mean, and I know I'll never get any other kind of response. Actually I want THlNKING acceptance but that isn't goint to happen here because everything I say is wrong here. That's just the way it is. But it is the reason I can no longer give a moment's consideration of the continuing debunkery. Go ahead, bring on the barrage of denunciations. Why do I refuse to see that I'm wrong; why won't I learn anything; etc etc etc.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 728 of 785 (857323)
07-07-2019 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by Faith
07-07-2019 4:23 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
The trouble is, Faith, is that your viewpoint is trash.

By which I mean you don’t bother to with the evidence your reasoning is appalling, you repeat falsified arguments again and again. Making up excuses without regard to the truth - which is your usual mode of thought - is not going to convince anybody who isn’t desperate to be convinced.

If you can’t come up with something that stands up to rational examination that isn’t our fault.

Repeating the same old false assertions and defeated arguments is a waste of your time. They won’t magically get better. So of course they get trashed again - it’s all they deserve. Learning from discussion and improving your arguments - or even abandoning hopeless nonsense like your Flood geology - would be the better way to go. But it is up or you to do that.


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Message 729 of 785 (857324)
07-07-2019 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 728 by PaulK
07-07-2019 4:49 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Exactly.

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Message 730 of 785 (857325)
07-07-2019 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 729 by Faith
07-07-2019 4:51 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
I wish that meant that it got through to you. But I’m sure it didn’t.

A pity. But it’s your choice.


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Faith
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Message 731 of 785 (857327)
07-07-2019 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by PaulK
07-07-2019 4:58 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
It got through. It always gets through.

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Message 732 of 785 (857328)
07-07-2019 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 731 by Faith
07-07-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
I doubt it. But maybe you will try to do better instead of blaming other people for your faults. If you don’t, then it didn’t get through.

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Message 733 of 785 (857329)
07-07-2019 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 732 by PaulK
07-07-2019 5:14 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
Another good one. You're on a roll.

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PaulK
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Message 734 of 785 (857330)
07-07-2019 5:19 PM
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07-07-2019 5:17 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
As I thought. Too bad. But on your own head be it. Because it will be. And it will be your own fault.

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Message 735 of 785 (857331)
07-07-2019 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 734 by PaulK
07-07-2019 5:19 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
It can't get any worse than it already is.

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