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Faith
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Message 61 of 77 (868535)
12-13-2019 5:45 PM
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12-13-2019 5:24 PM


Re: Just a note
I believe such an accusation requires an example. Don't have one, do you.

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Faith
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Message 62 of 77 (868536)
12-13-2019 5:46 PM
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12-13-2019 5:27 PM


Re: Just a note
Wow what a slimy justification for a violation that is. Kind of reminds me though of how liberals operate in general so par for the course. But personal attack IS against the rules here, and yours is an entire post that is nothing but.

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Message 63 of 77 (868543)
12-13-2019 9:51 PM
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12-13-2019 5:45 PM


Re: Just a note
Yup. I can. Plenty.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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PaulK
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Message 64 of 77 (868545)
12-14-2019 2:09 AM
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12-13-2019 5:46 PM


Re: Just a note
quote:
Wow what a slimy justification for a violation that is

Actually I’m pointing out that you get away with worse.

If you want slimy this is a good example:

quote:
Kind of reminds me though of how liberals operate in general

quote:
But personal attack IS against the rules here, and yours is an entire post that is nothing but.

But your real objection is that it’s true. There is no sensible reason for picking out that post and demanding sanctions. You might as well ignore it.


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Message 65 of 77 (868548)
12-14-2019 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
12-13-2019 5:33 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
No, the closed door hearings were normal and legal. For several oft-explained reasons

You still have not one instance of an illegal act. Or you could specify what Constitutional clauses or laws were broken. Of course none were.

Much of the testimony was firsthand, and administration officials have made several admissions of guilt not under oath.

Federal rules of evidence do not apply to impeachment.


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Message 66 of 77 (868549)
12-14-2019 10:23 AM
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12-13-2019 5:45 PM


Re: Just a note
I believe such an accusation requires an example. Don't have one, do you.

I believe the many accusations you have made require examples. Don't have any, do you.

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Faith
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Message 67 of 77 (868555)
12-14-2019 11:36 AM
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12-13-2019 12:11 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
c So this is a case where "two wrongs" DO "make a right"? What if, instead of "saving our republic" it just creates a situation where from now on every single President gets impeached until the Republic finally collapses?

That is exactly what they hope to stop by impeaching the next Democrat President, saying that if this sham impeachment is allowed to stand as if it's legitimate THAT is what will bring down the country. I don't get this reasoning myself quite, but I do understand that if something isn't done to counteract and expose the unconstitutionality and purely partisan motivations of this attack on Trump it has to undermine the nation.


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Faith
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Message 68 of 77 (868558)
12-14-2019 11:49 AM
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12-14-2019 11:36 AM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
Just took in the title of this post. Everything the Democrats do they accuse the right of doing. How predictable. They commit crimes and then lie about rthe Republicans committing those crimes. And they get away with it. As long as they control the media their supporters will swallow it all won't they? I'm just glad we have so many on my side or we'd have gone under by now and be governed by this tyrannical mob based on nothing but lies.

(oh wait, Now PaulK or JonF will take this paragraph of mine and quote it as if it supports their POV. Ha ha. Yes predictable.)

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 69 of 77 (868559)
12-14-2019 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
12-14-2019 11:36 AM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
quote:
That is exactly what they hope to stop by impeaching the next Democrat President, saying that if this sham impeachment is allowed to stand as if it's legitimate THAT is what will bring down the country.

Of course it is legitimate. And it won’t bring down the country at all. The Right want to. Ring down the country because they won’t accept a legitimate impeachment of their president.

quote:
I don't get this reasoning myself quite,

The reasoning is quite simple - the Constitution gets in the way of tyranny, therefore the Constitution must go.

There is no way that anybody could see it as a way of defending the Constitution.

quote:
... but I do understand that if something isn't done to counteract and expose the unconstitutionality and purely partisan motivations of this attack on Trump it has to undermine the nation.

You dress it in lies but it’s still just a call to destroy the Constitution in the name of removing any checks and balances that might hinder the executive - no matter how corrupt the executive might be. At least as long as the executive is Republican. That looks like an attempt to undermine the nation to me.


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ringo
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Message 70 of 77 (868563)
12-14-2019 12:49 PM
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12-14-2019 11:36 AM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
Faith writes:

...I do understand that if something isn't done to counteract and expose the unconstitutionality and purely partisan motivations of this attack on Trump it has to undermine the nation.


I'm curious about what you think the constitutional checks and balances are. You haven't specified what you think is unconstitutional about the curremt impeachment process and you haven't shown much understanding of what is appropriate behaviour for a President.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
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Message 71 of 77 (868564)
12-14-2019 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
12-14-2019 11:36 AM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
double post

Edited by ringo, : Phone went crazy.


"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Faith
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Message 72 of 77 (868565)
12-14-2019 3:15 PM
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12-14-2019 12:49 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
I don't give a *&x&*#^@* about "appropriate" behavior in the case of Trump, it's absolutely irrelevant. It would matter in a President whose policies were also bad but Trump's are right where we want them, he's the most upfront straightforward patriotic America-loving truly conservative policy maker we've had since Reagan. His personality doesn't matter and it's not the huge big deal that's made of it anyway. One thing it shows is that he's different, he's not one of the "swamp" creatures, he's not a politician, he's uniquely himself and he's not part of the Washington mob. THAT'S WHY WE LIKE HIM.

Csonsitutional checks and balances? First of all it's Congress that is violating them and that's why Trump is refusing to cooperate. He cooperated with Mueller but the House is going beyond his tolerance. THEY are treating the Executive Branch as if he should be their own personal toady. He refuses to play their game. THAT's the violation of checks and balances that needs to be checked. Their impeachment hoax is the biggest violation. They deny the President the most minimum of decent treatment, respect, due process. MOST OF THEM SHOULD BE IMPEACHED for abuse of power since that is now an impeachable offense..

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DrJones*
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Message 73 of 77 (868567)
12-14-2019 3:32 PM
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12-14-2019 3:15 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
I don't know why you're shitting yourself in anger over this impeachment, it's not like there is an actual chance of him being convicted at trial. Not with the senate being controlled by republicans who don't have the honor to treat the process with any impartiality. Moscow Mitch has said he's coordinating with the president's defense team and Lindsey Graham has said he's not going to be an impartial juror.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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Faith
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Message 74 of 77 (868570)
12-14-2019 3:44 PM
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12-14-2019 3:32 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
The very fact that there are so many corrupt leftists is enough to make a decent truthloving person throw up. Oh we're glad that he won't be impeached in the Senate but already the House is so rotten they should be thrown out of office and put to work in janitorial jobs. There is such deep rottenness in the system it needs a huge overhaul but unfortunately it needs a large majority of nonrotten politicians to accomplish that.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 75 of 77 (868571)
12-14-2019 3:53 PM
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12-14-2019 3:44 PM


Re: Republicans overturning elections they don't like
I know you love your name calling but unless you can back it up - which is pretty hard when you’re actually defending corruption - it’s just nastiness.

So how about some actual argument, real evidence instead of denial and false accusations.


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