Isnâ€™t that the one where Strobel goes to Intelligent Design people instead of actual experts? That was obvious even for Strobel.
Sandage seems more reasonable.
But there is something missing in the quote you give. There is no reason why the â€œchurch's claim to explain the world at the very deepest levelâ€ should be accepted.
My other objection would be that â€œwhyâ€ is ambiguous - there are senses of it that science can answer. And it is far from clear that the â€œwhyâ€ questions he raises do have answers in a sense that science cannot address (or have much of an answer at all - I have addressed â€why is there something instead of nothing beforeâ€ and come to the conclusion that it isnâ€™t likely to have a satisfying answer)
Re: Objective Verifiable Reality versus Subjective Experience
quote: Differing events produce different degrees of eyewitness testimonies. If the observers themselves are unaffected by the event and it merely seems exciting or interesting to them,then yes there will be many versions of what happened
Well it appears that we have no eyewitness testimonies for Jesusâ€™ ministry.
quote: But what I am trying (unsuccessfully) to get through your thick skulls is that the event and events that I am describing are in fact life changing events for every single one of us. None of you are uninvolved. None of you are detached observers milling about the mall of ideas.
We were not there. The events themselves are remote, likely touch us less than, say, the Battle of Actium. We are not even observers.
quote: The fact that you are unimpressed nor moved by the book and its contents is also noted. You are digging your own grave. The book itself is relatively simple. Pulling up contradictions and inconsistencies is simply human attempts at manipulation of interpretation of reality.
The odd thing is that I heard that the Christian God is not a great fan of idolaters. Why should we unquestioningly believe what the Gideons say ? Why are we not allowed to study the Bible and find out that things are not quite as they would have us believe ?
quote: My argument is ongoing. It is true that you often expose it for being weak or incomplete, but keep in mind that concerning goals and goalposts you and I have different goals. You seek to expose the purpose of organized religion as a sham, scam, and fraud. I seek to defend the statement that the Gideons say above, concerning the Bible: CHRIST is its grand subject, our good the design, and the glory of God its end.
You are doing a very good job of making it look like a scam.
quote: how careful can we be? How do we really know which side is which?
If you see writings full of falsehood - falsehoods that could be seen at the time of writing - itâ€™s pretty clear that the writer is not in the side of truth. Check. Do your due diligence. Donâ€™t go trying to invent bad motives for writers who say things you donâ€™t like.