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Sarah Bellum Member Posts: 700 Joined:
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With all the stars and all the planets elsewhere in the universe, it seems likely that there IS an intelligence out there on one or more of them and that it could be greater than humanity.
Lets hope they're friendly.
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Indeed. And in the interests of conversation with you, I shall throw my script away and wing it. Im wondering how to send you an audio chat MP3 since i have so darn much to say. Perhaps I will get around to typing it...in which case I shall edit this post..
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 8 days) Posts: 2087 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Hey Thugpreacha. Intelligence is the opposite of Spooks.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Oh?
![]() ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
From another threaad...more appropriately discussed here:
quote: You have historically argued for Christianity being a philosophical lesson based on reality and have steered clear of ascribing Divinity and/or Omniscience to either GOD or Jesus. Yet you claim to be a "believer". So what is your basic case for a Creator? Why not simply an exploding self creating universe? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16681 Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
quote: Not all apologists are Biblical Inerrantists either. However jar has a valid point - there are real contradictions in the Bible. Why some people deny it - there’s a question.
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jar Member Posts: 33116 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
There is no reasonable, rational or logical support for a belief in a creator.
I believe there was a Creator but I understand that is simply an unreasonable illogical irrational belief. There is no "Case for a Creator".
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
All you are really saying is that belief--in GOD---perhaps clarified by Jesus Christ (the Nicene Creed)---is irrational, illogical, and unreasonable. So why do you believe?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Personally I believe that there is a sort of ongoing spiritual war between Truth and Lies. I believe that the origin of the spiritual awareness behind such a war is eternal...or at least before the creation/evolution of this planet and its human inhabitants. And I will admit that this is an irrational belief. I do not think it simply fantasy, however. I think that the whole story of Star Wars(mythos, if you prefer) is writ large. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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jar Member Posts: 33116 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.2
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Jesus had absolutely nothing to do with the Nicene Creed but yes, the Nicene Creed in particular is unreasonable, irrational and illogical.
For the same reason anyone believes anything, how they were brought up, what social influence were in their life, comfort. The fact is that I do believe but don't try to pretend that it is not illogical, unreasonable and irrational.
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I place the God whom I believe in above all else.
What about the GOD (and the Jesus) that you market? Lets trot out the really tough questions! ringo claims that everything known and/or knowable about the Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ is contained within the book. Which would suggest that God (and Jesus) could never truly be alive within reality and within one's heart...were that true. So which is it? Which do you choose to believe? That God and Jesus are simply characters in a book. Tales of mythos told around campfires so that a traveling storyteller could earn a living? You always ask me how I can prove or describe what it means that Jesus is alive. What if I told you that it is as simple as embracing an admittedly illogical belief? How far out of the boat are you willing to walk? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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jar Member Posts: 33116 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
There you go making the same old mistake. No belief is evidence of anything except that someone believes. A belief that Jesus is alive has no real meaning unless you can explain what that even means.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16681 Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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quote: That is a question that must be settled on a book-for-book basis. And even then some books have major additions that need to be considered separately. quote: Obviously the OT authors had no view on Jesus at all. Many do not claim to have personally interacted with God. Most of them were promoting a view that they likely believed. quote: If so, you don’t seem too careful about which side you are serving.
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Then again, perhaps God wants us to actually get to know His character...expressed to humans through a human. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 14868 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
how careful can we be? How do we really know which side is which? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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