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ringo
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Message 13 of 31 (856542)
07-01-2019 3:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 10 by Pressie
07-01-2019 8:26 AM

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Those who don't pay anything at all shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
I would say the opposite: anybody who pays taxes, directly or indirectly, should have representation. Illegal immigrants included.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Message 21 of 31 (856716)
07-02-2019 11:56 AM 		Reply to: Message 19 by Pressie
07-02-2019 7:48 AM

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True in a normal economy. At local level, in my country, 70% of the people don't pay any taxes for local communities. They should not vote in local elections.
They do pay taxes indirect taxes on national level. They should vote nationally.
That's a distinction that has a lot of room for abuse. A lot of people could be disenfranchised because they don't pay "directly" enough in a given jurisdiction.
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I'd rather give the vote to a thousand who don't "deserve" it than take it away from one who does.
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Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
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That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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07-03-2019 12:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 24 by Pressie
07-03-2019 8:45 AM

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Actually, by taxing the small percentage law-abiding citizens who pay for things to breaking point only works up to a point.
But we're not taxing only the law-abiding. We're also taxing the Al Capones. And we're also taxing the Pedros who forgot to check in at Customs when they crossed the border. The issue here is not levels of taxation; it's the fundamental democratic principle of no taxation without representation. It's one of the major principles that the US was founded on.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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07-04-2019 12:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by Pressie
07-04-2019 8:38 AM

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In my country only the law-abiding are taxed.
Al Capone should have moved there then.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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