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Message 1894 of 2365 (879979)
07-27-2020 7:51 AM


The earth has the largest amount of ocean water in the solar system. No one can answer the origin of the seawater and the history of seawater increase. This vast amount of seawater makes the global flood possible.

This alone, is the most powerful evidence of the global flood.


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Message 1898 of 2365 (880017)
07-27-2020 9:11 PM
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07-27-2020 2:07 PM


Ice does not make flood. Water does.

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Message 1899 of 2365 (880018)
07-27-2020 9:17 PM
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07-27-2020 8:04 AM


Flood needs water. The earth has a lot of seawater. This satisfies the first requirement.

Of course, there are other requirements. But, in the solar system, the earth is the only place allows a global flood.

Admit that first. This eliminates the statement: the global flood is impossible.


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Message 1902 of 2365 (880024)
07-28-2020 7:25 AM
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07-28-2020 12:19 AM


In fact, Europa is a model for the global flood happened once on the earth.

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Message 1904 of 2365 (880027)
07-28-2020 7:34 AM
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07-28-2020 2:51 AM


OK, the second consideration is the land, in particular, the land relief (relative elevation).

This is a more complicate story. It should go from the beginning.

The earth has a unique thing called "continent". The current geological model says, the amount of continent increases gradually from minimum to the current 30%.

Do you recognize that?

(An eye-opening appetite: consider the relative rate of seawater increase vs continental mass increase, does that ring a bell of the possible global flood?)


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Message 1905 of 2365 (880028)
07-28-2020 7:37 AM


help
How do I reply with quote?

Thanks.


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Message 1908 of 2365 (880035)
07-28-2020 9:56 AM
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07-28-2020 8:40 AM


Re: help
... as you are new here, some posting tips:

Thanks.


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Message 1909 of 2365 (880037)
07-28-2020 10:02 AM
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07-28-2020 7:40 AM


Does it indeed. Can I have a source for that please?

Just while you're finding that, are we working on the same time scales? Noah's Flood was about 4,500 years ago?

Look up geologic term: "continental aggregation".
No. Excellent point. We are not talking about the time scale of Noah as we know it now.

I am only talking about the possibility of having the global flood.

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Message 1911 of 2365 (880056)
07-28-2020 5:05 PM
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07-28-2020 12:44 PM


Juvenissun writes:
Look up geologic term: "continental aggregation".
No thanks, it's up to you to make your case. Just explain to us why you think 'continental aggregation' can show that a global flood happened.

No. Excellent point. We are not talking about the time scale of Noah as we know it now.
Then you have me more than usually confused. When was the global flood that we're talking about? Generally it's supposed to be about 4,500 years ago

Noah's Flood is a BIG issue. It includes several major issues and many minor issue. The whole story is closely related to the whole Christian doctrine. So, the exploration HAS TO be restricted to one major (or even minor issue at a time). That is why most (if not all) talks about Noah's Flood are a total confusion.

Do not ask about time, only talk about the possibility and mechanism of the global flood. People usually abandon this discussion even it is very focused.

First, we must agree that a global flood is possible. This is the seawater problem.
Then, we must see how to make it possible. This is the land problem.

Continental Aggregation: A tectonic process through which a continent on the earth becomes larger and larger. If you want to know more, then ask specific question.

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Message 1916 of 2365 (880065)
07-28-2020 8:58 PM
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07-28-2020 5:50 PM


How does subduction figure in to that? My understanding is that continents - and tectonic plates in general - are growing on one side and shrinking (subducting) on the other, leaving their size roughly constant.

No. Once a piece of continent is made, it will not disappear, even it may split into smaller pieces. That is why the land (continent) on the earth becomes larger and larger through time.

Subduction only makes more continental mass. It is the key process of continental growth.

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Message 1919 of 2365 (880099)
07-29-2020 1:14 PM
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07-29-2020 12:53 PM


That's what I'm questioning. Do you have any evidence that that is happening?
And even if it is true, I don't see what that has to do with the Flood being possible.

Places on continent have different apparent ages. Do you see that is an evidence?

If it is true, then, would you think to flood out a smaller continent is much easier than to do the same to a much larger continent?

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Message 1920 of 2365 (880100)
07-29-2020 1:24 PM
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07-29-2020 12:43 PM


Re: Continent growth
But Juvenissun is saying that, "the land (continent) on the earth becomes larger and larger through time." Message 1916
My understanding is that the continents are rearranging their pieces but not changing significantly in total size. Gondwanaland was pretty much the same size as all of today`s continents, wasn`t it)

The oldest continent is measured about 4.x billion years old. Gondawanaland is about 0.3 billion years old. So, there was about 3.x billion years of time to allow the Gondawanaland to "grow" into its size.

Yes, today's land IS slightly larger than that at 300 million years ago. Do you live in the US? The North America continent became a slightly larger in the recent few millions of years.

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Message 1922 of 2365 (880122)
07-29-2020 8:51 PM
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07-29-2020 2:15 PM


Re: Continent growth
Your flood couldn't have been billions or even millions of years ago, people have only been around as modern H.sapiens for at most 200,000 years and your book has the flood only a few thousand years ago so what is the relevance of all this?

I am talking about the possibility of the global flood. I do not care about other noises. Do you agree that the global flood, at some time in the earth history, is a possibility?

If you agree, I will then, talk about Noah.


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Message 1926 of 2365 (880138)
07-30-2020 6:14 AM
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07-29-2020 8:54 PM


Re: Continent growth
I expect coastal erosion works the other way.

Erosion on land does not decrease the continental mass. It actually make the continent wider (at the cost of becoming lower).


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Message 1927 of 2365 (880139)
07-30-2020 6:24 AM
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07-30-2020 3:20 AM


Re: Continent growth
It doesn't matter what you care about, if you're going to attempt to show that there has been a global flood as written in your bible you're going to have to present the complete case not a tiny bit that you 'care about'.

At this stage, you either talk about the global flood, or you talk about Noah. Either one of them is complicated enough. To mix them, anyone would quickly get lost unless you can simply deny the whole thing (if so, you should not be here)

OK, a water world, would all the questions about the global flood still be the same? Source of water? Basin of water? You can not run away from the problems just by changing the terms.


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