I would suggest that the flood really did happen. I see no evidence that suggests otherwise.
There was no civilization before the flood that we know about. They were after, the issue is your dates.
I question the claims of science when they base models on nature and laws having been the same.
This is a science forum and a science based topic. I am going to ask you to either present your counter-evidence or kindly leave this topic. If you dont listen, you will feel the wrath. (suspensions and worse)
Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.