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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Could you please sketch out how you distinguish One Big Flood from lots of little floods? Could you please sketch out the arguments "centuries ago" that "determined" there was no worldwide Flood. Suppose somebody asked you what happened to all of the food that came in the back door of a restaurant. Your reply was, "A giant ate it." How do you know it was One Giant and not a lot of ordinary people?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Why not?
There is simply no comparison with a local flood.... Faith writes:
Every particle is deposited individually, so there's no fundamental difference between a small pile of particles and a big pile of particles.
It's quantity for starters.... Faith writes:
Yup. Does constant rain for forty days and nights sounds like it can be compared to a local flood?quote: Faith writes:
I'm not asking you to imagine a really big flood. I'm asking you how you would distinguish the results of a really big one from a million little ones. Specifically. What would be different? Multiply by millions.... We see lots of little floods as they happen and we see the layers that they deposit, so we know very well what little-flood layers look like. We see the same kind of layers all over the world, whether we saw them being deposited or not. We do not see any "special" layers that can not be explained by the little floods that we see all the time. So how can you tell, specifically, which ones were deposited by little floods and which ones were deposited by The Big Flood?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Sure they are. A flood that destroys everything you have is going to seem like an earth-shattering event even if people a few miles away never even hear about it. The many flood stories from many cultures, even with all their distortions, are not going to be memories of a merely local flood which occur all the time all over the earth.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Ever hear of science fiction? There are thousands of post-apocalyptic stories and they're all based on little apocalypses like the ones we see in the news every day. There has never been One Big Apocalypse that somebody felt the need to remember. ... a very specific story considered significant enough to be preserved despite the fact that lots of other floods happened all the time that they didn't feel needed to be preserved.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Reminds me of something Velikovsky wrote. Some fish fossils had died with horrified expressions on their faces indicated that they must have died in some immense catastrophe. But I would think that their own deaths (and maybe the deaths of their loved-fish) would have been horrifying enough. It would have to be something of a huge magnitude they couldn't escape except by being on a boat, which wouldn't be needed if it was just a local flood.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Nobody's misrepresenting you.
Actually it's because you all so aggressively always insist on misrepresenting me just as you are doing now. quote: quote: All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
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Or one reads with one's own mind intact, but with a strong critical perspective that sees what's wrong with certain ideas.quote: All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And your mind just dismisses, Yes, weigh and consider, that's what the critical mind does.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The Bible doesn't say that the flood destroyed every trace of what went before. Its only purpose was to kill, not destroy. ... my view is biblical and the Flood is as far back as anything goes.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
What "perished" is not the issue. You were talking about sites such as Ur, Jericho, Sidon and Rujm el-Hiri. The Bible doesn't say anything about such sites being destroyed. I guess we could consider what might have survived, but the Bible DOES say that whole world perished: 2 Peter 3:6All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's what I'm saying to you. You claimed in Message 386, "my view is biblical". It isn't. It's made up. Nothing at all is said about that, either pro or con, so anything you happen to ***** about it is just your own ********.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You've just been shown that the Flood could not have done it without breaking them. All you're doing is saying, Nuh uh." ... the Flood is the only way they COULD have been transported.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You have it backwards. They could not have been transported without breaking. The Flood could not have moved them without breaking. That means they must have grown there (unless there's a third alternative). Well, as I said, they couldn't have grown there, they had to be transported, and that means the Flood.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It only needs to be disproven in one way for all of the "proofs" to be irrelevant. The magical bulletproof coral has definitely been disproven. i don't worry about all those other details when I know the Flood has been proved in so many other ways....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
On the contrary, it is very easy to test the fragility of coral.
All your speculations sound reasonable but there is no way to prove them one way or another so they remain speculations. Faith writes:
That's another experiment that creationists could do. Throw some coral into a flood, have it transported a few hundred miles and check for damage. Why don't they ever do the experiments?
The coral transport scenario has not been disproven, sorry. Faith writes:
The evidence would be transporting coral without damage. Demonstrate that. ... I can demonstrate the evidence....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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