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A flood that killed all animals and plants at the same time would leave the markers of a genetic bottleneck in the genomes of all modern species at exactly that date.
No such markers exist.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: I've explained this a million times before and I know you've seen it but you don't llke it so you pretend I never said it. You've made up a story a million times before which is utter shit. You'll notice that if someone says something that does not contradict settled science and is backed by credible evidence, it's not discussed again. But if someone makes stuff up on the hoof that is patently unevidenced bullshit and flies in the face of known facts, we tend to keep on saying it.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Yeah, well I do expect the logic of it to make sense to some but it doesn't and I don't care any more. There's no logic in it, you just made up a story. The story you made up could be called a hypothesis, but then you'd need evidence to support it. And the evidence does the opposite. So it's just bullshit.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9487 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
6. Sort the rock and fossils by age - oldest deepest - and make radio dating match.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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No evidence for a global flood.
Irrefutable of evidence that says it didn't happen. No evidence for a young earth, irrefutable evidence for an old earth. And that's just the science. Historically, the flood myths in the bible are based on a series of earlier flood myths from Messapetamia, the best known being Gilgamesh.
quote: Mesopotamian myths - Wikipedia Can we please stop trying to convince Faith that she's wrong now, it doesn't work, she's heard it all before and we know she's not influenced by facts. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Faith writes: Sedimentation is a weird idea, somehow it's expected to come along for no good reason... Stuff rolls down hill. I live at the bottom of a valley with fairly sloping sides. I put a path down in my garden 15 years ago, until this summer it had become subsurface, I had to dig it out and remake it. Never wondered why archaeologists have to dig? And why their sites are called 'digs'? Its because sediments gradually bury whatever is on the surface. The longer you leave it, the further down it will be.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: They don't make flat sandstone or siltstone or shale rocks that cover thousands of square miles as deep as your chalk cliffs. That's exactly what they do.You've been shown exactly how a thousand times. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tell us where the errors are.
Sedimentary rock - WikipediaJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Can't let some stupid creationist tell us we're wrong. It was creationists that told us what was right.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: The point is that you can't have a time period that is completely occupied by a rock. The point is that your picture of how rocks are formed is wrong. Why not educate yourself.
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Access denied | Volcano World | Oregon State University You and me live on top of sediments which are made from eroded rock and will eventually become rock again by the same process. In a few million years some of our fossils will be found inside those rocks buried under a mile of sediment.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: One common trait which I see in many arguments is the stubborn insistence of some to frame the argument solely in their own method... The two sides of the argument are not equally balanced. One side is provably correct while the other is ignorant garbage that only religious cranks adhere to.
Dad obviously wants...insists...that you acknowledge his point. Refusal to do so causes him to become stubborn and repetitive. He doesn't have an argument Phat, he has an assertion. That's why his replies to long and considered explanations backed by pages of actual evidence are single, contentless sentences. He has a single assertion which he will not (can not) produce any evidence for. So instead of producing an argument to support his assertion (that time was different in the past along with all of physics) he is forced to attempt shift the burden of proof to us. It's a tactic that only us fruitcakes would tolerate. The rest of the world just laughs and points.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvenissum writes: The earth has the largest amount of ocean water in the solar system. No one can answer the origin of the seawater and the history of seawater increase. This vast amount of seawater makes the global flood possible.This alone, is the most powerful evidence of the global flood. Hi Juve, just so you know, this is a science forum so you need to provide evidence and sources for your arguments. Assuming that you're right that the earth has the most water in the solar system, why does that provide evidence of a global flood?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvennisun writes: Flood needs water. The earth has a lot of seawater. This satisfies the first requirement. The water here isn't enough to cover the earth to a level above the mountains. I definitely would have noticed.
Of course, there are other requirements. But, in the solar system, the earth is the only place allows a global flood. I'm still not sure about that but it does seem totally irrelevant. I haven't heard anyone claim that the flood was on another planet, not here.
Admit that first. This eliminates the statement: the global flood is impossible. I'm afraid it doesn't. Some water doesn't equal enough water.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvenissum writes: The earth has a unique thing called "continent". The current geological model says, the amount of continent increases gradually from minimum to the current 30%. Does it indeed. Can I have a source for that please? Just while you're finding that, are we working on the same time scales? Noah's Flood was about 4,500 years ago? How old do you think the earth is?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvenissun writes: Look up geologic term: "continental aggregation". No thanks, it's up to you to make your case. Just explain to us why you think 'continental aggregation' can show that a global flood happened.
No. Excellent point. We are not talking about the time scale of Noah as we know it now. Then you have me more than usually confused. When was the global flood that we're talking about? Generally it's supposed to be about 4,500 years ago
quote: When Did Noah's Flood Happen? | The Institute for Creation ResearchJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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