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Message 82 of 1255 (857273)
07-07-2019 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
07-07-2019 1:54 AM


Re: By Faith from
there are lots of demonstrations of water, both rushing water and still water, depositing separate layers of sediment.

Only in confined flumes, which are nothing like the unconfined mass of water you propose.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 83 of 1255 (857274)
07-07-2019 9:44 AM
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07-07-2019 7:00 AM


Re: sedimentary layers, Walther's Law,
Water was water.

Gravity was gravity.

We know all about water and gravity. The alleged fludde was water under the action of gravity.


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Message 148 of 1255 (857569)
07-09-2019 12:38 PM
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07-09-2019 12:32 PM


Flood legends reflect the facts that people tend to live near water and local floods happen. There's no reason to think all those legends describe one flood.
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Message 158 of 1255 (857581)
07-09-2019 1:02 PM
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07-09-2019 12:40 PM


I thlnk the enormous weight of something like three miles depth of strata would have forced the water out of the lower layers and hardened them quite rapid

Alas, measurements of how fast water moves in rocks or lithifying sediments show the opposite. The pores through which the water must move are squashed down to being infinitesimal and water just cannot move through them quickly.

You are also forgetting that lithification involves chemical reactions which are not noticeably sped up by pressure.

Your second paragraph is all argument from your personal and ignorance-based incredulity. We work with evidence.


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Message 160 of 1255 (857583)
07-09-2019 1:04 PM
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07-09-2019 12:48 PM


People live near water.

Which floods.

And would appear as a global flood to people with no idea of the extent of the Earth.


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Message 164 of 1255 (857589)
07-09-2019 1:36 PM
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07-09-2019 1:29 PM


Lots of local floods require escape by boat.

They clearly didn't understand much but they knew that water once covered everything around them.

My point exactly. Water covering everything around them is several orders of magnitude short of water covering everything.
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Message 179 of 1255 (857612)
07-09-2019 4:05 PM
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07-09-2019 3:40 PM


Chemical lithification doesn't need thousands of years

Really? Show us a citation.

And if you squash pores what happens to the water in them?

Water is essentially incompressible, so any gas would be compressed to essentially zero volume until there was only water that doesn't change volume. Except for any edges exposed to the atmosphere (very rare) the pressure would be almost perfectly hydrostatic (acting equally in all directions -- see Newton's second law). The hydrostatic component of stress does not move the water. The non-hydrostatic component does move the water, very slowly, through pores so small that the frictio of the water against the solid wall is significant, resisting the motion. It moves somewhere between a few yards per day and and an inch per century, depending on lots of factors... although lithifying rocks tend toward the slower end because of the very small pore sizes.
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Message 180 of 1255 (857614)
07-09-2019 4:07 PM
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07-09-2019 3:36 PM


Wow. Jesus deposed the Father? That's unusual Christian theology.
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Message 205 of 1255 (857685)
07-10-2019 12:52 PM
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07-10-2019 12:15 PM


Also the Southern Ocean gives us a good idea of how an uninterrupted ring of water acts.
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Message 209 of 1255 (857691)
07-10-2019 2:31 PM
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07-10-2019 12:53 PM


Re: Aabsurdity
Calling mainstream science absurd is not evidence against mainstream science or for your view.

That whole message boils down to "I think mainstream science is wrong". Not convincing.


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Message 211 of 1255 (857693)
07-10-2019 2:51 PM
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07-10-2019 2:42 PM


The usual as I predicted though I haven't really tried to present data, evidence, rasoning.

That's why the criticism. Try presenting data, evidence, and reasoning.
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Message 216 of 1255 (857698)
07-10-2019 3:16 PM
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07-10-2019 2:53 PM


You're kidding. It doesn't matter if I do that or not.

You've never tried.
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Message 217 of 1255 (857699)
07-10-2019 3:17 PM
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07-10-2019 3:13 PM


You think calling something absurd with no reasoning why is presenting facts?
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Message 224 of 1255 (857706)
07-10-2019 4:24 PM
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07-10-2019 4:06 PM


Still no facts, evidence, or reasoning.
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Message 230 of 1255 (857724)
07-10-2019 7:25 PM
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07-10-2019 7:18 PM


Re: Aabsurdity
Faith has often confirmed that her interpretation of the Bible is infallible.

What say you, Faith? Could your interpretation of the Bible be false?


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