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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
dad
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Message 1861 of 2370 (879451)
07-16-2020 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1857 by AZPaul3
07-16-2020 7:20 AM


Re: a rose by any other name
quote:
We do not assume nature was the same in the past. We know it was.
You can post the proof anytime. (if you claim you did give the link..haha)

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Message 1862 of 2370 (879452)
07-16-2020 4:55 PM
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07-16-2020 12:21 PM


quote:
But the use of the word outside science has no bearing on the use of the word in science.
Your wish to apply the word as if it applied in and out and in the middle and both sides of science is overruled.
Evidence is needed for science claims.

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dad
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Message 1865 of 2370 (879471)
07-16-2020 8:07 PM
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07-16-2020 5:21 PM


Re: a rose by any other name
You can see squat. You believe time in the far universe is the same for religious reason of belief only, and upchuck dream deates based on this

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dad
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Message 1866 of 2370 (879472)
07-16-2020 8:08 PM
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07-16-2020 5:24 PM


Point D.O.A.
We can only go by what you post. Prove that nature on eart was the same in Noah's day, or the claim is shown to have no evidence. Your spam hate post have become tiresome, so you need to get on point and topic. Pronto.
Edited by dad, : No reason given.

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Message 1869 of 2370 (879488)
07-17-2020 2:23 AM
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07-16-2020 11:18 PM


Precise imaginary time
In terms you might understand, maybe some 70 millions years ago, so called science time.

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Message 1870 of 2370 (879489)
07-17-2020 2:24 AM
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07-16-2020 11:10 PM


Re: a rose by any other name
Statements of faith and empty claims. If you had science it would have been posted. Whatsa matta, yellow?

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Message 1872 of 2370 (879539)
07-17-2020 1:53 PM
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07-17-2020 12:32 PM


get out more
quote:
When scientists use the word "evidence", it has a specific meaning. When lawyers use the word, it also has a specific meaning - but significantly different.
Then explain how a belief in a same nature in the past is evidence? Claims are not evidence. Evidence is stuff you use to show beliefs are valid.
quote:
There's a dead body on the floor; we'll stipulate that it is dead, no vital signs, room temperature, etc. There's a hole in the body and a man standing over it with a smoking gun. And there's a bust of Napoleon on the mantel.
List what is evidence and what is not.
When you can walk into the ark and stand over Noah, we can talk. Unless your evidence has nothing to do with the far past, and only deals in your room.

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Message 1874 of 2370 (879598)
07-18-2020 5:25 PM
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07-18-2020 12:31 PM


lord of the belief
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It's a conclusion based on evidence, evidence like tree rings, lake varves, ice cores, fossils, etc.
If trees grew faster than rings are not evidence. What you need evidence for is that they grew in this same nature we have today at rates that exist today. Same deal with ice layers and varves. As for fossils, unless nature was the same, we could not assume many kinds of animals could fossilize at all. So the fossil record could only be a record of a teensy tiny little fraction of the animals on earth that could fossilize and leave remains at all. It all sits on your one belief. One belief to rule them all, One belief to find them; One belief to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

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dad
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Message 1876 of 2370 (879614)
07-19-2020 3:43 AM
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07-18-2020 6:27 PM


Re: lord of the belief
This has what to do with the topic? I would suggest that the flood really did happen. I see no evidence that suggests otherwise.

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Message 1879 of 2370 (879649)
07-19-2020 1:22 PM
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07-19-2020 10:39 AM


Re: lord of the belief
I do not question last week. Nor do I question recorded history and aspects of what ancient life was like, such as spirits living with men, long lifespans, etc.
What I question is claims that that different record of the past was the same as today. It sure was not. I question the claims of science when they base models on nature and laws having been the same.

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dad
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Message 1881 of 2370 (879672)
07-19-2020 9:25 PM
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07-19-2020 3:19 PM


Re: lord of the belief
There was no civilization before the flood that we know about. They were after, the issue is your dates.

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dad
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Message 1885 of 2370 (879795)
07-22-2020 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1880 by ringo
07-19-2020 3:19 PM


Re: lord of the belief
Chinese and other civilizations are post flood.

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dad
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Message 1886 of 2370 (879796)
07-22-2020 3:53 PM
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07-21-2020 3:15 PM


proper application
True and science has used the laws in place since it came to exist. They work. The time that this great flood occurred is not last Tuesday. If you want to extend nature beyond the experience and observations of man, you need evidence.

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Message 1887 of 2370 (879800)
07-22-2020 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1883 by ringo
07-20-2020 9:41 AM


Re: lord of the belief
I do not accept ancient history as gospel. However, while I may be wary of details regarding exploits and battles of kings, when reading basic facts of life of the time, I am less skeptical. For example, if they said it rained, or there was a garden, etc

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Message 1892 of 2370 (879851)
07-23-2020 4:49 PM
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07-23-2020 12:15 PM


Stop pretending your religion and beliefs are science. That is a misuse of the word.
Edited by dad, : No reason given.
Edited by dad, : No reason given.

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