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Juvenissun
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Message 2068 of 2370 (880537)
08-07-2020 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2064 by DrJones*
08-06-2020 9:32 PM


Re: Time scales
just support your claim that the earth has the most granite in the solar system
That is a fact. Why do I need to support a fact? Do you have to give support to the fact that you are a human?

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Juvenissun
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Message 2073 of 2370 (880575)
08-07-2020 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2069 by Phat
08-07-2020 10:25 AM


Re: Water in granite
Now please dont try and convince me that somehow there was a lot of water on the planet that got absorbed in the underlying granite. It sounds too much like finding a conclusion that accepts the premise. Or perhaps I do not yet understand your premise.
Granite has quite amount of water because when it solidified from magma, there were overwhelmingly abundant water in the magma. The abundant water in granite only reflects extremely more abundant of free water in the magma, which will soon became water in the ocean. The high abundance of granite on the earth is proportional to the high abundance of seawater on the earth. That is the main source of water for the global flood.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2074 of 2370 (880576)
08-07-2020 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2072 by ringo
08-07-2020 12:31 PM


Re: Time scales
If you can't tell us what a flood is, you have no business claiming that one happened.
I can quote what's said in the dictionary. Would you agree on that definition? Do you know what is wrong with those definitions?
This is a very important concept if you ever want to truly understand the meaning of the global "flood".
Why don't you just give me a dictionary definition of flood and see what I can say?

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Juvenissun
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Message 2075 of 2370 (880577)
08-07-2020 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2071 by Coragyps
08-07-2020 11:50 AM


Re: Water in granite
So getting water back into granite is not a trivial task. I’ve not dealt with granite specifically, Juvey, but I spent forty years in a career dealing with permeability of other rocks. I learned a little about the subject over that time. Your half-baked bullshit theories do not have wings, and are not going to fly.
You obviously does not know anything about granite, even you seems know something about sandstone, or even shale.
Since you use that dirty word on me. I am not going tell you anything you do not know.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2077 of 2370 (880594)
08-07-2020 9:49 PM
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08-07-2020 8:40 PM


Re: Water in granite
Main stream science is still debating the origin of water on Earth, but one thing that does not get mentioned is its origin from granite.
Once again, can you please give us the evidence for water coming from granite?
You are quite right. Most of the water of the earth does not come from granite. I never said it does. On the contrary, I said many times that granite is a host rock of water on the earth. When it is made, it "takes" water in. Water can still come out of granite. But it would quickly enter other granites.
Nevertheless, "wet" granite will indeed gradually lose its water and turned into "dry" granite. Have you heard a part of continent called craton? That is made of dry granite. It still contains water, but in a quite smaller amount.
Notice that what I said here does not use formal geological terms. As a consequence, if you do understand, you can find some errors in it. However, I think what I said is quite safe in this forum.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2080 of 2370 (880613)
08-08-2020 8:10 AM
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08-07-2020 10:00 PM


Re: Time scales
A flood is an overflow of water that submerges land that is usually dry.
This is a better, more general one. However, it does not specify the time specifier "usually". A river has an annual high water stage. I don't think you want to call it flood. A place get flooded once every 10 years does not mean places at lower elevation covered by water once every 5 years is not a flood.
The global flood only happened once. So to that definition, the global flood should not be called a flood.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2081 of 2370 (880614)
08-08-2020 8:13 AM
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08-07-2020 11:29 PM


Re: Time scales
not a fact, a claim that you've made that you've been unwilling/unable to support.
It is a fact, and I did support it.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2083 of 2370 (880639)
08-08-2020 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2082 by ringo
08-08-2020 12:17 PM


Re: Time scales
A flood is an overflow of water that submerges land that is usually dry.
Sure you do. Even tides have a flood tide.
Of course it should. ALL of the land that was usually dry was submerged (in the story, not in reality). You can't get any more floody than that.
Interesting, but pretty useless definition, But it still has problems:
If a river, or a lake dried up, and later filled with water again, by that definition you have to call it flood. That is what I mean a useless definition. And it would interfere with the definition of other terms.
Also, it has the word "overflow", that pretty much excludes your tidal "flood". The submerge of shoreline can not be called as overflow of seawater, because there was no (uni-directional) "flow" before the "flood". Also, heavy rain "flooded" the city street should not be called a flood because rainfall is not a normal "flow" and there is no "overflow" of rain.
Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2087 of 2370 (880661)
08-09-2020 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 2084 by kjsimons
08-08-2020 9:38 PM


Re: Time scales
A world wide flood has never happened in all of the planet Earths history as far as we know. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it. Note that I stipulated that you must present "evidence".
I give you evidence, a very very strong evidence. However, you may not understand the evidence.
The evidence is: the earth has vast amount of ocean water in contrast to the mass of land.
Can you "reason" on my evidence? I don't believe you can.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2088 of 2370 (880662)
08-09-2020 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2085 by ringo
08-08-2020 9:46 PM


Re: Time scales
But what does any of this have to do with your supposed global flood?
Because I want to emphasize that the global flood is not a flood as we understand it. It is a feature beyond the definition by a normal flood. So, we can NOT directly compare normal flood products with the consequence of the global flood. For example, a global continuous depositional layer.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2089 of 2370 (880663)
08-09-2020 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2086 by DrJones*
08-08-2020 10:42 PM


Re: Time scales
Any one of my post.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2092 of 2370 (880680)
08-09-2020 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2091 by FLRW
08-09-2020 11:14 AM


Are you talking about the global flood described in the Bible, or just a large (not likely global) flood?
A meteorite strike happened in the ocean can also cause a huge flood. People think it happened a number of time in the past.

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Message 2093 of 2370 (880681)
08-09-2020 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2090 by Larni
08-09-2020 11:01 AM


Re: the world that then was
No.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2096 of 2370 (880690)
08-09-2020 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2094 by dwise1
08-09-2020 12:40 PM


I don't see any science in your opinion.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2097 of 2370 (880691)
08-09-2020 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2095 by Coragyps
08-09-2020 12:59 PM


Re: Time scales
I reason all the time, all my life. That is my profession.
If you reason, I reason back. If you don't, I may or may not reason.
Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

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