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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Maybe not. But what I ask floodists is: How do you distinguish one big flood from lots of little floods? The evidence that we have is all we have to go on, so how does that evidence point to one big flood?
Because I want to emphasize that the global flood is not a flood as we understand it. Juvenssun writes:
Why not? So, we can NOT directly compare normal flood products with the consequence of the global flood. For example, a global continuous depositional layer. According to the Bible, the flood waters rose for a while, during which there would have been erosion; then the waters were stable for a while, during which there would have been deposition; then the waters receded, during which there would have been erosion and deposition. It seems quite likely to me that there would be at least one distinct layer that would be, if not on 100% of the earth's surface, at least a very large part of it."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Why not?
Those erosional and depositional features will not exist long. Juvenissun writes:
How are they evidence? The oceanic water and oceanic basins ARE the evidences. You need to do more than just post random opinions. You need to back up what you say."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
And they'll be deposited somewhere else.
Flood deposits are loose sediments, they will be quickly washed away. Juvenissun writes:
Who's talking about a million years? The flood only lasted one year. And it couldn't have been more than a quarter-million years ago because there were no people.
Flood entrench channels will last longer. But they will also be eroded away within one million years or so. Juvenissun writes:
If I ask and you don't answer, that's a reflection on you, not on me. If you don't answer, it looks like you don't know.
I am repeating what I said. There is no qualified question to push me say anything more than that. It is not what I don't say. It is what you don't ask. Juvenissun writes:
Then you're wasting your time here. I am NOT going to give any more information which you do not understand."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Why not? They're still deposited during the Flood. ringo writes:
Then you will not recognize it as flood sediments. And they'll be deposited somewhere else."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
They should be. They should be much more widespread than river sediments or lake sediments. Even if there is no single contiguous layer that covers the whole earth, there should be vast areas that are easily distinguishable from lake sediments and river sediments. Sediments deposited during the global flood are no different from any sediments we can see in our normal environment."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Sure they do. The chemical composition will give clues to where they came from. A flood is not a magic eraser that removes all evidence. Once relocated, they don't have any tag to show the origin."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Some of them were eroded BY the flood.
Think: where did those sediments come from? They were sediments on the ground BEFORE the Flood. Juvenissun writes:
Because different sediments come from different formations. Some of them come from sandstone, some come from limestone, etc. Why would they be different from other sediments on the ground?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Juvenissun writes:
That doesn't seem likely. The amount of sediment depends on how much material was in the water, how much water there was and for how long, etc. The Bible Flood would have had vast amounts of material in vast amounts of water settling out for a long time. We would expect a very deep set of layers to form before the water receded. The receding water would erode the fesh sediment to some extent but not enough to remove all traces. They are normal sediments just like sediments laid down everywhere and every day. It seems like you're just making excuses for the fact that there IS no evidence of the Flood."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
As much as the flood waters could hold.
How much sediments is available for deposition? Juvenissun writes:
The whole world was ocean. The mud would settle everywhere.
The mud in the soil will suspend in water and be carried to the ocean and deposited in the ocean. Juvenissun writes:
I live on a dry lake bed. The clay is up to 15 meters thick and has been there for thousands of years. How do I explain to you that loose sediments DO NOT stay on land for long (say, 100 years)? How about rain. Rain will easily wash them around and eroded them away, or redistribute them to river channel."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
As I said before, the chemical composition of the mud will tell you where it came from.
Then you will not be able to identify which lump of mud came from which direction. Juvenissun writes:
And you were wrong. The chemical composition is not changed by erosion. Erosion just makes smaller pieces. Like I said, if sediment was eroded, then it lost the identity of its depositional locality."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Yes. That's what gives us clues about what comes from where.
Chemical composition of sediments are different everywhere. Juvenissun writes:
Well, IF there was a global flood, there ought to be traces of it. If there are no traces, you can not legitimately claim that it happened. We do not know what does the chemical composition of the sediments look like during the global flood."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Moose writes:
Thanks. Erosion is the movement of the materials. You can have weathering without having erosion."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Since you don't seem to know what you're talking about, I don't see much point in asking you anything. If you have something to say, say it. No. If you like to know why, then ask."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Nobody begged you to come here and spout empty opinions. If you have a point to make, it's up to you to make it. I'm not going to drag it out of you. I am not begging you to understand. So if YOU have any questions, feel free to ask. But don't expect to be treated like the guru on the mountain with all the answers."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Correct this: There is no evidence that there has ever been a worldwide flood while humans were on earth - i.e. the story of Noah's Ark is fiction. If you said something wrong, I will correct it."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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