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ringo
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Message 1666 of 2370 (878496)
06-30-2020 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1661 by dad
06-30-2020 1:21 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
I am not here to support or make claims so much as to hold up your belief based claims that have fraudulently been labelled as science.
First you'll have to learn what science is. You're a long way from anybody taking your opinions seriously.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1667 of 2370 (878497)
06-30-2020 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1658 by dad
06-30-2020 1:18 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
So you did not post evidence,
Results are evidence. Computers are evidence thst science gets results.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1671 of 2370 (878541)
07-01-2020 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1670 by dad
07-01-2020 2:47 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Computers are not evidence stellar evolution in deep space is valid.
I'll type slowly so you can keep up: Computers... are... evidence... that... scientists... know... what... they're... doing.
When you get on an airplane, do you go up to the cockpit and tell the pilot he's flying all wrong? The rest of us take his thousands of hours of successful flying as evidence that he knows what he's doing.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1672 of 2370 (878542)
07-01-2020 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1669 by dad
07-01-2020 2:46 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
Rather than an intelligent reply we get blather about 'oh, I am the only one who knows what science really is, but I can't post it'.
Your reading comprehension is off. I have never said that I am the only one who knows anything about science. I seldom claim to know anything at all.
As the old joke goes, I don't have to run faster than the bear. I only have to run faster than YOU.
I only have to know more about science than YOU, which is not much of a feat.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1673 of 2370 (878543)
07-01-2020 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1668 by Phat
06-30-2020 8:43 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Phat writes:
Computers do nothing but quantify numbers into a replicable value. If a value created by a machine counts as evidence, why not a philosophical value involving spoken words?
It doesn't matter what computers do. I could have used a space shuttle as an example, or a heart pacemaker. The point is that science gets RESULTS.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1677 of 2370 (878561)
07-01-2020 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1676 by dad
07-01-2020 1:38 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
If you offer computers or anything else in this world as evidence that so called science that deals in origins fables knows what it is talking about, you need to show the connection.
The connection is that they are using the same methods. You might as well say that the pilot who is flying the DC-9 knows what he's doing but the pilot who is flying the 727 doesn't - even though they are doing the same thing.
You're seeing a distinction where there is none. And if you think there is a distinction, once again YOU are the one who needs to provide evidence.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1678 of 2370 (878562)
07-01-2020 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1675 by dad
07-01-2020 1:36 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
When you know something you should be able to post it rather than brag you could post it.
Read what I wrote. I didn't say I knew anything. I said I know more than you.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1679 of 2370 (878563)
07-01-2020 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1674 by dad
07-01-2020 1:35 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
The so called sciences dealing in origins stories have no practical application in the real world though.
That's where you're wrong. Geologists find oil in the real world and geologists find the true ages of rocks.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1687 of 2370 (878603)
07-02-2020 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1685 by dad
07-02-2020 1:51 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:
The thing is you need to post it, not talk big.
Okay, what would you like me to post? Be specific.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1688 of 2370 (878606)
07-02-2020 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1683 by dad
07-02-2020 1:49 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Origin claims get no results.
We get results (computers, petroleum, etc.) using the same processes that we use to learn about origins. You're saying that we can' t build a shed with the same tools that we use to build a garage.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1689 of 2370 (878608)
07-02-2020 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1682 by dad
07-02-2020 1:48 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Planes big or small, or toy planes have zero to do with origin arguments.
Nonsense. They're built with the same intellectual tools.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1690 of 2370 (878610)
07-02-2020 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1681 by dad
07-02-2020 1:46 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
No they don't find ages of rocks. Finding oil doesn't involve that as much as you thought it did.
Again... it's about the same thought PROCESS. Why would it work so well in one case (finding oil) and be such a dismal failure - according to you - in another area (finding the age of rocks)? How is it that geologists get it right when you need fuel but wrong when they disagree with you?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1696 of 2370 (878648)
07-02-2020 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1693 by dad
07-02-2020 12:53 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Whether a layer was put down 5500 years ago in the former nature....
Why don't geologists see any evidence of a "former nature"?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1697 of 2370 (878649)
07-02-2020 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1695 by AZPaul3
07-02-2020 2:24 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
AZPaul3 writes:
dad writes:
TOE, and the BB.
What is it about each that makes them fables?
Well, there's the talking animals.... Oh, wait.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1698 of 2370 (878650)
07-02-2020 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1692 by dad
07-02-2020 12:49 PM


Re: KT layer versus 4500 years ago
dad writes:
The main reason science uses old ages is because of radioactive decay dating.
"Main" reason, maybe, but not the only reason. Read through all of RAZD's many, many posts on the CORRELATIONS between MANY different methods. Get back to us when you can explain away ALL of them AND explain why they happen to give corresponding results.
dad writes:
Otherwise, why would we not assume much of the ratios we see were part of creation, and that the former nature also affected ratios?
Why would we assume there was a "former nature" at all?
dad writes:
Why must we believe your positive claim?
Oh, make no mistake - nobody here cares what you believe. As long as we can keep your anti-science garbage out of the public schools, you can believe in whatever magic beans you like.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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