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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
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Message 1052 of 2370 (860079)
08-05-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1048 by Faith
08-05-2019 12:19 PM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
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What a strange response. Doesn't the entire geological column/time scale span the entire Earth?
Only if you mean the abstract geological column synthesised from multiple different strata in different locations. And the entire geological column is not present in many places, including much of the Grand Canyon. The Kaibab Limestone, often the upper level is Permian.
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Pretty clear to me that the strata in the UK are the same as those in Tennessee and in the Grand Canyon, Grand Staircase area, in that they were all deposited completely, before the tectonic upheaval occurred that distorted them in their various ways.
It is quite obvious that you are rationalising away the evidence of earlier tectonic disturbances because it contradicts your model. And that fact is quite sufficient to show the falsity of your claim.
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I'm sure the marine strata do look like "former sea floor" but that's only because they contain fossils from the sea floor. There IS another explanation for this.
And because they are composed of the sediment that is deposited on the sea floor. And no, there is no viable alternative explanation.

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Message 1055 of 2370 (860086)
08-05-2019 1:22 PM
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08-05-2019 1:15 PM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
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I know the geological column is only partial in any given location, that is a mistake I do not make, it's irrelevant to anything I've said.
It is certainly relevant to your claim that the entire geological column/time scale span the entire Earth? When, so far as I can tell no location on Earth has received continuous deposition and only a relatively few locations have strata from all the geological periods.
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There are no earlier tectonic disturbances, at the least it's a matter of interpretation but the cross section actually shows only one
That is simply untrue as shown by your attempts to rationalise away the evidence. The Grand Canyon Supergroup was clearly tilted before the strata above it were deposited, to give just one example.

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Message 1056 of 2370 (860087)
08-05-2019 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1054 by Faith
08-05-2019 1:20 PM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
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Leonardo got it wrong. Even a genius can get things wrong, his intellect was fallen like everybody else's.
Disagreement with your opinions is hardly evidence that Leonardo was wrong. Especially when the disagreement is your mistake in the first place.
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Nothing was "transported up a mountain." The clearly tectonically raised mountains were formed after all the strata with their fossils were in place
So he was right - not wrong - and the mountain is composed of seabed. Which, of course, was the point.

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Message 1058 of 2370 (860094)
08-05-2019 1:42 PM
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08-05-2019 1:32 PM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
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If he'd known the mountain was originally where seashells would normally be found then I'd agree with him.
That is very unclear - and you did agree with at least most of it, and didn’t offer any argument against the rest.

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Message 1071 of 2370 (860122)
08-05-2019 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1070 by Faith
08-05-2019 4:12 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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No, the Gulf of Mexico is not sea floor.
I think this says all that needs to be said.
Anyone who thinks that the Gulf of Mexico is not sea is completely delusional.

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Message 1074 of 2370 (860128)
08-05-2019 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1073 by Faith
08-05-2019 4:20 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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The usual semantic putdown that is utterly meaningless.
No. It’s pointing out that your assertion is utterly divorced from reality.
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Why don't you just try to figure out why it's not sea floor and what I mean by that?
Obviously it is sea floor. And I suppose it’s just your usual refusal to accept that you are wrong.

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Message 1087 of 2370 (860182)
08-05-2019 11:54 PM
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08-05-2019 5:41 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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The Gulf was formed after the strata were deposited. It is not sea floor.
Whether the strata underlying the Gulf of Mexico are marine or not is a question to be answered by geological investigation, not your decree. Until you support that claim with evidence it is just another of your empty assertion.
It is also irrelevant to the question of whether it is sea floor. It is. And sediments there are being deposited on the (local) geological column. Adding to the geological column.

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Message 1089 of 2370 (860184)
08-06-2019 12:41 AM
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08-06-2019 12:17 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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Jurassic through Holocene are not marine.
That is an amazingly silly thing to say. There were seas throughout those periods. There are certainly marine strata from the Jurassic, the Cretaceous is known for having extensive marine deposits, and if you have any reason to think that there were no seas in later periods, or that they didn’t contribute to the geological record I haven’t heard it.
No, the only way to determine if the strata underlying the Gulf of Mexico are marine or not is to examine the geology. Not declare that they aren’t marine because they are Jurassic or Cretaceous or whatever - because that is just nonsense.

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Message 1091 of 2370 (860186)
08-06-2019 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1090 by Faith
08-06-2019 12:52 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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Doesn't matter to me, you know, since they were all the result of the Flood.
So you don’t care whether what you are saying is true or not. Because you assume that you are right anyway.
I don’t actually believe that. It seems to be really important to you to pretend that the evidence supports you - even when it obviously doesn’t. I think that you spout nonsense because denying your errors and your faults is really, really important to you.

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PaulK
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Message 1093 of 2370 (860188)
08-06-2019 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1092 by Faith
08-06-2019 1:04 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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Point is that whether or not those strata are marine does not affect my theory.
I was the one who pointed that out in Message 1087
The fact that you posted silly nonsense to support a completely irrelevant point - instead of addressing the actual issue - hardly makes you look better.
I suppose you are going to claim that the fact that the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico is seabed is irrelevant, too despite the number of posts you have made disputing that.
Nevertheless the Floor of the Gulf of Mexico is seabed. It has a local geological column. Sediment is being deposited there. This is clear evidence against your assertion that the Geological Column is over and done with.

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Message 1110 of 2370 (860246)
08-06-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1108 by Faith
08-06-2019 11:33 AM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
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The evidence is on the provided cross sections. {Message 1070}
Another obvious falsehood. But I guess it doesn’t matter to you because it’s just a diversion anyway.
There is nothing in the diagrams which even supports your irrelevant claim that there are no marine strata there. Not that you care whether it is true or not.

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Message 1117 of 2370 (860290)
08-06-2019 4:03 PM
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08-06-2019 3:27 PM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
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Flood or no Flood it's very clear that the Gulf wasn't there when the strata were laid down because the strata accumulate flat and horizontal and they aren't going to do that in a gulf.
No, sediment is quite happy to fill - or try to fill - depressions. And we can see places that happened on the cross-section of Britain. And really, why wouldn’t that happen ?
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Also, salt domes do not take hundreds of millions of years to rise. Those have probably been rising since the Flood, though some rise in a matter of hundreds of years or even less. This is evidence for the timing of a Young Earth but it's just flatly denied by the Old Earthers, of course
Of course to a rational person it doesn’t matter how quickly a salt dome can form. That can only provide a minimum age, not a maximum. The dome will only form if conditions are right - and I bet the conditions also control the speed.
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Not sure how it formed, but probably formed at the end of the Flood. The strata are hammock shaped, thin at the edges, thicker in the middle. the result of being in water as the salt rises.
The Gulf formed by rifting, starting in the Late Triassic. Which you can’t admit to. I’m not at all sure what you mean about the strata, it doesn’t seem to match the diagrams.

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Message 1122 of 2370 (860295)
08-06-2019 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1119 by Faith
08-06-2019 4:08 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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The earth is SIX thousand years old according to the most common way of reading the Bible, and it's been roughly 4300 years since the Flood. Does this change your view?
Why would it ? Myth is myth, and taking it as accurate history - in the teeth of all the evidence is daft. And the crazy things you say to try to prop it up are just insane.

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Message 1126 of 2370 (860301)
08-06-2019 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1124 by Faith
08-06-2019 4:29 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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Why don't you stop being so blind and realize that I have given plenty of evidence?
You’ve made a lot of claims - many of them utterly ridiculous, but when it comes to producing real evidence you haven’t exactly come up with a lot.

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Message 1135 of 2370 (860345)
08-07-2019 12:13 AM
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08-07-2019 12:05 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
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But it's no explanation at all. It's what needs to BE explained. For all those hundreds of posts I've been trying to explain how we get from the horizontal layers to the tilted layers.
That is a very odd thing to say. You are asking for an explanation of the mechanism. But you haven’t even tried to offer one, instead all you are doing is adding extra complexities which don’t seem to make sense.

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