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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
JonF
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Message 1081 of 2370 (860164)
08-05-2019 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1078 by Faith
08-05-2019 5:39 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
THE Flood DID produce layers and DID sort thngs as ew see themWhere did I say all life would be destroyed before any layers were laid down? I can't have said that, I don't think it's true. By the time ALL the strata were laid down, yes.
quote:
The whole surface of the land would be so defaced just from the forty days and nights of rain it would be unrecognizable and then the strata piled on top of it would further erase any recognizable remains.
Now you're saying almost all plant and animal life would survive that defacing? Magic water indeed!
Is WHAT "what we see?" I don't know what you mean.
So the first layer and each subsequent layer would overly all the fossils.
Is that what we see?

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JonF
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Message 1082 of 2370 (860165)
08-05-2019 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1079 by Faith
08-05-2019 5:41 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
The Gulf was formed after the strata were deposited.
That's one of your claims. Your claims are not evidence for your claims.
You said "many signs of having been formed after all the strata were laid down". You neglected to list any. Because there aren't any.
It is not sea floor.
That's one of your claims. Your claims are not evidence for your claims.
Again, why not?

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JonF
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Message 1083 of 2370 (860167)
08-05-2019 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1080 by Faith
08-05-2019 5:41 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
It's only right to respond with explanation when someone asks for further information.
I did what I could to figure out your meaning. Your evasion reinforces my opinion that "unthinking knee-jerk reaction in a vain attempt to avoid having to address the issue" is why you think it's not sea floor.

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JonF
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Message 1084 of 2370 (860170)
08-05-2019 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1079 by Faith
08-05-2019 5:41 PM


What is a sea anyway?
quote:
a : a great body of salt water that covers much of the earth
broadly : the waters of the earth as distinguished from the land and air
b : a body of salt water of second rank more or less landlocked
the Mediterranean sea
(Merriam-Webster)
quote:
The sea, the world ocean or simply the ocean is the connected body of salty water that covers over 70% of Earth's surface (361,132,000 square kilometres (139,434,000 sq mi), with a total volume of roughly 1,332,000,000 cubic kilometres (320,000,000 cu mi)).
(Wikipedia)
quote:
sea
1. the continuous body of salt water covering the greater part of the earth's surface; ocean
2.a large body of salt water wholly or partly enclosed by land: the Red Sea, Irish Sea
(YourDictionary)
quote:
1. one of the larger bodies of salt water, less than an ocean, found on the earth's surface; a body of salt water of second rank, generally forming part of, or connecting with, an ocean or a larger sea; as, the Mediterranean Sea; the Sea of Marmora; the North Sea; the Carribean Sea
2. an inland body of water, esp. if large or if salt or brackish; as, the Caspian Sea; the Sea of Aral; sometimes, a small fresh-water lake; as, the Sea of Galilee
3. the ocean; the whole body of the salt water which covers a large part of the globe
(Webster)
Looks as if Faith's definition of "sea" will be as quirky as her definition of "geologic column". If we ever tease it out of her.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1096 of 2370 (860201)
08-06-2019 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1085 by Faith
08-05-2019 11:47 PM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
There was no ocean in the Gulf of Mexico when the strata were laid down, all of them up through the Holocene.
Thus spake Faith, making yet another unsupported claim.
You really are incapable of a clue about "evidence". Amazing.
BTW, the discussion is about what's happening today. Do you understand the concept of "today"? When the Gulf of Mexico is part of the ocean and strata are being laid down there?
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1097 of 2370 (860203)
08-06-2019 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1094 by Minnemooseus
08-06-2019 2:11 AM


Re: A geological column vs THE geological column
Wrong. A (not THE) geological column is the rocks underlying a single point on the Earth.
So all the definitions of *the* geologic column that I posted are wrong?

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JonF
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Message 1098 of 2370 (860207)
08-06-2019 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1081 by JonF
08-05-2019 7:12 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
THE Flood DID produce layers and DID sort thngs as ew see themWhere did I say all life would be destroyed before any layers were laid down? I can't have said that, I don't think it's true. By the time ALL the strata were laid down, yes.
quote:
The whole surface of the land would be so defaced just from the forty days and nights of rain it would be unrecognizable and then the strata piled on top of it would further erase any recognizable remains.
Now you're saying almost all plant and animal life would survive that defacing? Magic water indeed!
Is WHAT "what we see?" I don't know what you mean.
So the first layer and each subsequent layer would overly all the fossils.
Is that what we see?
Faith? Are you there?

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JonF
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Message 1106 of 2370 (860224)
08-06-2019 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1100 by Faith
08-06-2019 10:02 AM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
Now you're saying almost all plant and animal life would survive that defacing? Magic water indeed!
Where are you getting this? I've never said any such thing.
It's an inescapable logical deduction from your claim that all the fossils were created by the flood and this:
The whole surface of the land would be so defaced just from the forty days and nights of rain it would be unrecognizable and then the strata piled on top of it would further erase any recognizable remains.
I think a few creatures did manage to survive until the later stages of the Flood, it would have been very few and the vast majority must have been killed in the early stages.
Seems to me you said the vast majority would have been killed by being "defaced just from the forty days and nights of rain"
first layer and each subsequent layer would overly all the fossils.
I assume you mean "overlie," but I still don't get it.
I meant "overlay". Here's the sequence:
  • Forty days and forty nights of rain
  • Dead animals and plants all over the surface of the Earth
  • First sedimentary layer deposits
  • Dead animals and plants covered by the first layer
If you want to claim they were picked up and saved somewhere to b e deposited in later layers, that's not physically possible no matter how much water you throw at it.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1107 of 2370 (860225)
08-06-2019 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1085 by Faith
08-05-2019 11:47 PM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
There was no ocean in the Gulf of Mexico when the strata were laid down, all of them up through the Holocene.
Thus spake Faith, making yet another unsupported claim.
You really are incapable of a clue about "evidence". Amazing.
BTW, the discussion is about what's happening today. Do you understand the concept of "today"? When the Gulf of Mexico is part of the ocean and strata are being laid down there?
I now take it from your abandonment of the Gulf of Mexico discussion that you have no more unsupported claims and we can proceed on the basis of the geologic column still accumulating.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


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Message 1109 of 2370 (860233)
08-06-2019 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1108 by Faith
08-06-2019 11:33 AM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
The evidence is on the provided cross sections. {Message 1070}
I don't see how that disproves sedimentation in the Gulf of Mexico. Please explain.
ABE I note the fourth image is of West Texas TexLibris | UT Libraries
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 1112 of 2370 (860260)
08-06-2019 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1110 by PaulK
08-06-2019 12:32 PM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
I think that she thinks that, since all the strata were laid down by the fludde, the Gulf didn't exist when the strata were laid down. Then magic created the Gulf.
Irrelevant to the fact that deposition and strata formation are happening in the Gulf, of course.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 1115 of 2370 (860286)
08-06-2019 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1114 by Faith
08-06-2019 3:27 PM


Re: What is a sea anyway?
Flood or no Flood it's very clear that the Gulf wasn't there when the strata were laid down because the strata accumulate flat and horizontal and they aren't going to do that in a gulf.
In a bowl they form a bowl. Thinner at the edges and thicker in the middle.
Of course, in your black-and-white view there are no exceptions to the principle of original horizontality. It's not universal like the law of gravity. It is an expression of how gravity and topography and fluids interact to mostly produce horizontal flat surfaces.
And of course, whatever sediment is falling on top of the strata there is not how the geological column formed.
Um, you think that's how it happened. You just think it happened quickly.
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JonF
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Message 1125 of 2370 (860300)
08-06-2019 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1121 by Faith
08-06-2019 4:10 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
I didn't say it couldn't be imagined, what I said is that LOCAL FLOODS don't provide a basis for imagining it.
So can it be imagined? Especially based on physics, chemistry, hydrodynamic, and geology?

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 1127 of 2370 (860302)
08-06-2019 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1123 by Percy
08-06-2019 4:21 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
300 million-ish.
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JonF
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Message 1128 of 2370 (860304)
08-06-2019 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1124 by Faith
08-06-2019 4:29 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Why don't you stop being so blind and realize that I have given plenty of evidence?
You have no clue what evidence is. Such as your insistence that the definition of "the" geologic column shared by everyone but you is wrong. For example:
"My definition is the only rational one" includes no evidence.
"My definition is correct because the esteemed sedimentologist Professor Milo Minderbinder agrees with me" is better but weak because you may have misinterpreted him.
"My definition is correct because the esteemed sedimentologist Professor Milo Minderbinder wrote, in Principles of Sedimentology second edition, 'the geologic column consists only of sedimentary layers above the basement rocks on land." contains significant evidence.
Of course this was a waste of time. You are incapable of understanding the concept.

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