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Faith 
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Message 1546 of 1616 (869587)
01-02-2020 1:48 PM
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01-02-2020 1:01 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
I thought that marine life preceded land life in the "fossil order" that's all. What's the big deal? If you have marine sediments presumably they contain the fossils of marine creatures, and land sediments contain fossils of land creatures. What is the problem?

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Message 1547 of 1616 (869591)
01-02-2020 1:57 PM
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01-02-2020 1:46 PM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
So supernovas, or solar eclipses, or volcanic eruptions and earthquakes tell us nothing scientifically useful whatsoever. They aren’t repeatable.
Got it! Thanks for enlightening me!

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Message 1548 of 1616 (869592)
01-02-2020 2:05 PM
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01-02-2020 1:48 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
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I thought that marine life preceded land life in the "fossil order" that's all

It does in the sense that there was marine life before there was any terrestrial life. But only in that sense. Marine life went on and continued to leave fossils and those fossils are every bit as much a part of the fossil record and it’s order. (E.g. consider the great marine reptiles that lived alongside the dinosaurs - the ichthyosaurs, mosasaurs and plesiosaurs. Marine life in it’s place in the fossil record - because they are descended from terrestrial life)

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What's the big deal? I

That your objection was ignorant nonsense. Plenty of marine life stayed in the seas, and it’s descendants are still there.


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Message 1549 of 1616 (869595)
01-02-2020 2:17 PM
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01-02-2020 1:46 PM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
Maybe if you say it 100 times more it will become true.

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Faith 
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Message 1550 of 1616 (869604)
01-02-2020 2:43 PM
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01-02-2020 2:05 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
Love how you guys rewrite your theory every time it's challenged.

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Message 1551 of 1616 (869607)
01-02-2020 2:55 PM
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Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
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Love how you guys rewrite your theory every time it's challenged.

You mistake ignorance and thoughtlessness for infallibility.

Correcting your foolish and ignorant ideas by citing facts I knew as a child, decades ago, is not rewriting the theory.


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Faith 
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Message 1552 of 1616 (869609)
01-02-2020 3:01 PM
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01-02-2020 2:55 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
Facts? Na. Purely imaginative conjurings.

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Message 1553 of 1616 (869615)
01-02-2020 3:09 PM
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01-02-2020 3:01 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
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Facts? Na. Purely imaginative conjurings.

Ah, Faith how you love inverting the truth. The fact is that the order of the fossil record never was from only marine life to only terrestrial life. It always went from only marine life to terrestrial life and marine life.

You could have worked that out if you bothered to think about it, if only from remembering that the last ammonites in the fossil record appear in Cretaceous strata - which is also where you will find the last non-avian dinosaurs. Long after the great amphibians of the Carboniferous and the synapsids typical of the Permian are gone.

And we have marine fossils newer than that.

There is no rewrite of the theory, no “imaginative conjurings” on my side. You just made those up to avoid admitting to your ridiculous error.


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Message 1554 of 1616 (869625)
01-02-2020 3:41 PM
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01-02-2020 3:09 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
But of course. In reality there are NO "land" sediments or fossils since all were transported in the Flood waters, and therefore marine creatures were carried all the way through the whole fossil record. But alternating marine and land sediments? Doesn't compute.l

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 1555 of 1616 (869627)
01-02-2020 3:46 PM
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01-02-2020 3:41 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
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But of course. In reality there are NO "land" sediments or fossils since all were transported in the Flood waters, and therefore carried marine creatures all the way through the whole fossil record

This is just assumption at odds with the evidence. There are identifiable terrestrial sediments in the geological record, including some deposited by wind, not water.

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But alternating marine and land sediments? Doesn't compute.l

Then you need to get your circuits checked. A transgression followed by a regression followed by a second transgression will naturally produce this. And of course we see the sequences indicating this in the geological record. (Someone - RAZD, I think, did this analysis for the Grand Canyon rocks)


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Message 1556 of 1616 (869628)
01-02-2020 3:52 PM
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01-02-2020 3:41 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
Does not compute? Are you still using that Eniac? Or an abacus?

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Faith 
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Message 1557 of 1616 (869629)
01-02-2020 3:52 PM
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Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
No, all that is what is assumed, based only on the ToE. If you believe against all reason that each layer of sediment represents a time period of millions of years then of course you are going to interpret some of it in terms of their land origin. In reality they were all deposited by the Flood water no matter what their original location.

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Message 1558 of 1616 (869634)
01-02-2020 4:03 PM
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01-02-2020 3:52 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
Faith writes:

In reality they were all deposited by the Flood water no matter what their original location.

And yet neither you or any other human being has ever been able to provide the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that would allow your absolutely stupid flood to produce the evidence that exists in reality.

Sorry Faith but ALL of the evidence does show that neither of the Biblical Floods ever happened and in fact the conventional theory does provide the model, method, mechanism, process AND procedure that does explain the evidence that exists in reality.

No one who has a basis connection to reality believes that either of the Biblical Floods (or Garden of Eden or Exodus or Conquest of Canaan or ... ) ever actually happened. Only those sad deplorable people who have no connection whatsoever to reality believe nonsense like the Biblical Flood Myths.


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Message 1559 of 1616 (869635)
01-02-2020 4:07 PM
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01-02-2020 3:52 PM


Re: Land sediments sandwiched between marine sediments
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No, all that is what is assumed, based only on the ToE

Another of your inventions. Sedimentology is NOT based in the Theory of Evolution. It does, however include a good deal of study of sediment being deposited in the present day. Scientific conclusions are not assumptions.

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If you believe against all reason that each layer of sediment represents a time period of millions of years then of course you are going to interpret some of it in terms of their land origin

I doubt that you will ever find a single layer of sediment “representing millions of years”. The formations we discuss consist of multiple strata. Besides the time scales are based on evidence and are not contrary to reason.

But more importantly terrestrial layers are identified from the features of the rocks. It is not assumption at all, or even based on the timescale.

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In reality they were all deposited by the Flood water no matter what their original location.

According to the evidence that is not the case. And the mere say-so of someone who makes up ridiculous nonsense and then invents more nonsense to pretend she’s right carries very little weight.

Edited by PaulK, : Corrected “spell-corrector”


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Message 1560 of 1616 (869656)
01-03-2020 10:58 AM
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01-02-2020 1:46 PM


Re: Moving post about the prehistoric geological past
Faith writes:

If the event isn't repeatable then you have no science and that is the problem with the one-time events of Prehistory.


Nonsense. As I pointed out, murders are one-time events and we have no trouble investigating them scientifically.

Faith writes:

Hisotrical events on the other hand often have witnesses which may be written records or even monuments in some cases.


And witnesses are the worst source of evidence in a murder investigation. Witnesses lie, or they're just mistaken.

Faith writes:

I was merely tryihng to list the criteria I think allow for scientific knowledge.


And you were wrong. Your version of 'repeatability' is not a criterion for scientific knowledge.

Faith writes:

Repeatability is one, the famous one of laboratory sciences where you can do experiments over and over to test them in various ways.


Again, it is repeatability of the experiments that is important to science, not repeatability of the events. No scientist, no sensible person, would suggest that you have to be able to repeat a murder or an earthquake to investigate it scientifically. Or a flood. We have floods every year and we investigate them scientifically.

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