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Message 1636 of 1802 (877803)
06-21-2020 11:58 PM
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06-21-2020 9:36 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible™" ...
My position is that science does not know. If someone claims they do know in the name of science we all had better scoff.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1637 of 1802 (877806)
06-22-2020 1:15 AM
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06-21-2020 11:57 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
I care how fast trees used to grow, and care about what evidence exists for how fast trees grew.

Great! Now we may be getting somewhere.

How fast did trees "used" to grow? What evidence exists for how fast trees used to grow?

I'm glad you care about this evidence. That means you know what that evidence is. What is it?


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Message 1638 of 1802 (877822)
06-22-2020 10:41 AM
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06-21-2020 11:58 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible™" ...
dad writes:

My position is that science does not know.


If science doesn't know, who does? If science doesn't know, how did it produce the computer you're looking at?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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dad
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Message 1639 of 1802 (878280)
06-28-2020 4:06 PM
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06-22-2020 1:15 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
As far as science is concerned, they do not know how fast tree used to grow. If you are aware of some scientific study on the matter I may have missed, feel free to post it.

As far as the bible record of the deep past on earth goes, trees apparently did grow super fast, and unlike anything we observe today.


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dad
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Message 1640 of 1802 (878281)
06-28-2020 4:08 PM
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06-22-2020 10:41 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible™" ...
If science doesn't know, it doesn't know and should shut up about it. If you claim it does then you should post about it.

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DrJones*
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Message 1641 of 1802 (878286)
06-28-2020 5:25 PM
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06-28-2020 4:06 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
trees apparently did grow super fast

where does it say that in the bible?

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dad
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Message 1642 of 1802 (878294)
06-28-2020 7:25 PM
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06-28-2020 5:25 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
Well, we have a garden planted in creation week. Then we have man eating fruit from trees a week later! That is fast indeed. In another instance we see that birds were sent from the ark, and returned because there were no trees and plants. A week later, lo and behold, a bird returned with a fresh tree leaf in it's beak.

In the bible, the future is the key to the past (not the present, as science assumes). That is because the future is very much like the past in many ways. We also see trees in the future that display fast growth. The trees bear fruit every single month! They also bear a different type of fruit on the same tree every month.

Edited by dad, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 1643 of 1802 (878303)
06-28-2020 8:47 PM
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06-28-2020 4:06 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
As far as science is concerned, they do not know how fast tree used to grow.

Sure we do. Trees of old grew at the same rate as trees today. No difference. None.

Why should we think otherwise?

As far as the bible record of the deep past on earth goes, trees apparently did grow super fast, and unlike anything we observe today.

Is that your evidence? Your errant book of fairy tales? Rejected.

Got any real evidence that trees used to grow faster?

No. No you don't because they didn't.


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Message 1644 of 1802 (878309)
06-28-2020 9:22 PM
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06-28-2020 8:47 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
Even the Bible doesn't support that.

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dad
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Message 1645 of 1802 (878332)
06-29-2020 2:33 AM
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06-28-2020 8:47 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
You forgot to cite evidence trees grew at the same rate. Funny, that. No one cares what you believe, or why you believe. The question is not 'why should science believe...'. The question is what does science know. You should admit you do not know at what rates trees used to grow.

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dad
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Message 1646 of 1802 (878333)
06-29-2020 2:34 AM
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06-28-2020 9:22 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
Except I gave two examples in post 1642.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1647 of 1802 (878340)
06-29-2020 9:25 AM
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06-29-2020 2:33 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
Your rote rejection of the evidence presented is ignored.

YOU still have no evidence that natural processes differed yesterday to today.

Your bible is not such evidence since its 3000 year old goat herder myths have no independent corroborating lines of evidence to sustain them.

You have nothing but the childish antics of see no reality, hear no reality, acknowledge no reality. You are a poster child for religious nut jobs.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 1648 of 1802 (878353)
06-29-2020 12:01 PM
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06-28-2020 4:08 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible™" ...
dad writes:

If science doesn't know, it doesn't know and should shut up about it.


Did you notice the word "if"? I said IF science doesn't know....

It does.

dad writes:

If you claim it does then you should post about it.


I did:
quote:
If science doesn't know, how did it produce the computer you're looking at?

Did scientists invent computers by using the same methods that you claim don't work? Or did creationists invent computers by reading the Bible?


"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1649 of 1802 (878354)
06-29-2020 12:05 PM
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06-29-2020 2:34 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
dad writes:

Except I gave two examples in post 1642.


Those examples can not be verified empirically - like the examples of talking bears. Therefore they can not be considered evidence.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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dad
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Message 1650 of 1802 (878380)
06-29-2020 3:27 PM
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06-29-2020 9:25 AM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
quote:
YOU still have no evidence that natural processes differed yesterday to today.

YOU still have no evidence that natural processes are the same yesterday to today.

quote:
Your bible is not..
I do not care what you think or believe about God or His word. History is a colossal sympathy of fulfilled prophesy. I do not need your affirmation.

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