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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Well, you just admitted that you don't know. You're pretty arrogant to assume that nobody else knows either. If I offered support for a different nature in the past it would not be using science since science does not know either way."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dad writes:
I did. All you have to do is present some evidence that nature changed. If you claim that belief in a same nature in the past is falsifiable, then show us how. And then, of course, you'd have to propose some explaination for HOW it changed - i.e. how God did it. But that goes against your belief system, doesn't it? Your belief system inherently precludes science.
dad writes:
Denial is not an argument. Say something worthwhile.
ringo writes:
No. They are not. They rest only on beliefs. The models are observed to be valid - i.e. they're confirmed by the evidence dad writes:
It may not tell YOU anything. It does tell "us". Looking at a dead tree does not tell us how fast it used to grow."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
dad writes:
By that logic, if it takes the light from stars 7-100 light years to arrive at earth and that we essentially look back through the portals of time when we view the stars--even through powerful telescopes, then we could for all intents and purposes simply see the past universe and the actual universe may have long since ceased to exist. What do you think about that? Looking at a dead tree does not tell us how fast it used to grow."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Capt Stormfield Member (Idle past 455 days) Posts: 428 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
You declare events long ago fiction based on..? The revealed fact that the world was created last Thursday. There was no "long ago". The Timelessly Immediate One created us all last week with our so called "memories" already in place. Disprove it or repent! Edited by Capt Stormfield, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Nitpick: you mean years. Light-years are a measure of distance.
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dad Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
I admitted we do not know USING SCIENCE, either way.
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dad Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
No one can prove nature was different or the same using science, and you don't seem to accept proofs outside of science.
Check.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
And I pointed out that you're extremely arrogant to include everybody else in your ignorance. I admitted we do not know USING SCIENCE, either way."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dad Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:Unless you can prove it was the same there is no need. We believe what we choose. The claim that nature was the same is not falsifiable. (able to be proved to be false). Science cannot prove it false or true! quote:Since science doesn't know either was no one needs to or can show how some unknown nature in the past changed. All that is needed is to realize science only believes and does not know. quote:Showing a one liner that has no content or specifics to be false is not denial. quote:How does a dead tree tell you how fast it used to grow 4600 years ago exactly?
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dad Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
It is arrogant of you to pretend science knows when being shown unable to demonstrate it.
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dad Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Not a scientific basis, sorry. Maybe keep playing in the sand or whatever.
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dad Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
You switch from tree rings to deep space. You seem to be all over the map here. OK, so light is seen here in the area of the solar system only. We do not go out into the universe and see it at source, you realize this much?
Now, we also do not know what time is like out there at all. We do not see time or space. So what time is involved in anything happening out there is absolutely unknown. You with me so far? Edited by dad, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Now that is a really silly thing to say. Unless we can show that it didn't change, you will assume that it did? So tomorrow you'll come to EvC assuming that it has changed to the website for Major League baseball?
ringo writes:
Unless you can prove it was the same there is no need. We believe what we choose. All you have to do is present some evidence that nature changed. dad writes:
You're just repeating yourself. You might as well be squawking like a chicken.
The claim that nature was the same is not falsifiable. (able to be proved to be false). dad writes:
The pattern of the rings - e.g. wide narrow narrow wide extra-wide, etc. - can be compared from tree to tree. The same pattern over a number of years indicates the same time period. Thus, the time periods can be detected even when the lifespans of the individual trees overlap - and a timeline can be established that is much longer than the lifetime of one tree. How does a dead tree tell you how fast it used to grow 4600 years ago exactly? It's all in RAZD's many, many threads. For God's sake, do some honest research."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dad Member (Idle past 1337 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote: Unless you know and can prove that the nature you use in all models of the past was as you claim, I have no reason to assume it was. None at all. In fact, Scripture and even ancient history to some extent records that it was not the same. So I do not consider it a question, we already have the record. When you claim otherwise I naturally demand real evidence.
quote:I think that nature follows certain forces and laws and as long as that nature exists, we can expect those laws to be valid. However, I also happen to know that one day soon that nature will change again! So I will not be the one hiding under rocks wishing to die when predicted changes occur. ( I hope).
quote: Let's see a close up of tree rings over 5000 deep? Let's look at that pattern for that time. We wait. If you pass that bar, we will then ask the question 'have you any reasons that fast growing trees in the different past nature would not have a similar pattern, though the rings represent parts of a month or week or day rather than seasons'?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
In the case of the evolution of life, the main belief is in a same nature in the past. Why do you say this is a belief and not a reality?Factio Republicana delenda est.
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