Did the Flood really happen?

There was only one flood and Noah was there, so we are, after all, talking about Noah's Flood, the one in the bible right?So I'm confused, when was this flood?

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You apparently blocked the possibility of continuing discussion

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No. You are free to add more evidence to change my mind - if you have any. But so far you haven’t exactly come up with a lot.If you haven’t got any scientific reasons to think it is even possible for there to be a Noah, or other people or animals to be taken on board the Ark - or even wood to build the Ark - at the supposed time of your supposed Flood, why are you even trying to argue it here?

If you admit or accept that there was a global flood, then I will talk about when.

I did give you some evidences, such as rocks, water, and pressure. You have no comment on them. If so, why should I give you more? If you do not understand the evidences I gave, at least you can ask for clarification. Can't you even ask question?

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I did give you some evidences, such as rocks, water, and pressure. You have no comment on them

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I did have several comments.I pointed out that first yourself argued that a significant quantity of Earth’s water could not originate by your preferred means.I pointed out that your idea that a large part of the water burst out from solid rocks - as liquid, rather than being released through volcanic eruptions as vapour was unsupported,I pointed out that your idea that the idea that this water was all released at the same time was implausible and unsupported.You have not answered these points.

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If you do not understand the evidences I gave, at least you can ask for clarification. Can't you even ask question?

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There is no need for further questions, only for you to provide much better evidence.I will also note that none of this feeble evidence supports the idea that Noah, or any multicellular life was - or could be - living on Earth at the supposed time of this supposed flood. (I’d be surprised if there was eukaryotic life if I have the time frame right).

PaulK - what will you bet me that we find out that Noah was a prokaryote?

Is this an adult science thread or am I back in the playground?So far you haven't presented any evidence of a global flood. How am I supposed to 'admit' a flood happened based on what you've said so far? Make your case.Why are you refusing to talk about when, when when is critical to it having happened? If you're looking for a flood in the geological record, it's best to know where to start.Even so, you say that we won't find this evidence and are claiming that - as far as I understand your strangely obtuse argument so far - you are talking of events possibly billions of years ago.But we know people have been around no more than quarter of a million years and the myth itself is purported to be only 4,000 years ago.You describe yourself (elsewhere) as a YEC. Don't you think it's time you stopped this obfuscation and honestly put forward your whole case so we can have a grown up discussion about it?

So you like to talk about time more than the Flood. Fine.
First, we need to consider the 600 years age of Noah. What do you think about that? If you think it is a fake, then does that leave nothing else to talk about?You have to accept something in the whole story, so it can proceed. Otherwise, you are welcome to claim the whole thing is a fake. Then you can leave this thread.

No. You did not do that.
Even you did that, what is your reason? It is not MY PREFERRED means. Geologically, it is the only mean.Where do you think the ocean water come from?

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No. You did not do that.

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I certainly did Message 1999

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Even you did that, what is your reason?

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Why would I point out an obvious problem in your arguments? That’s a part of my role in the discussion. We aren’t here to pretend that you’re right.

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It is not MY PREFERRED means

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It certainly is. Why else would you attribute all the Earth’s water to a mechanism you know to be inadequate to account for it all?

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Geologically, it is the only mean.

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No, material does arrive on Earth from beyond the atmosphere and geologists recognise that.

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Where do you think the ocean water come from?

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A significant proportion comes from objects that were formed in the outer solar system (where more water collected). It is still debated exactly which objects provided the bulk of that water (either ice meteorites or larger bodies or the planet Theia that collided with the Earth, in the collision that formed the moon).Geologists would agree.

The timing of Noah's flood is critical to detecting evidence for it. I'm not talking about time, I'm asking you to tell us where in the geological and archaeological record we should look for it. I don't have to accept anything. You have to make your case, then we can discuss it. That's the way these things work.

We can see two lines of evidence that go against what you said.First, neighboring celestial bodies like Mars, our moon, and Venus are all very dry (even consider environment in their early stage). Why should the earth be an exception?Second: None of the Mars, moon and Venus ever possible to have a global flood (do you know why?) Why is the earth so special?Both evidences pointed to a special mechanism of water generation on the earth. I have briefly explained that in several earlier posts. (basically it focused on the generation of continental rocks. Remember, the earth did not have any "land" at the beginning)One lesson you should learn from talking to me: the possibility of the global flood is closely related to the origin (the formation) of both ocean water and continent. It is not just a simple water budget problem.

You do have show where you stand in a discussion. Otherwise, what am I going to talk to you? I don't have to convince you Noah's Flood did happen. Ultimately it is a faith (which is science+)problem.What you should say is: I don't believe Noah's story "because...", then I can focus my idea on that. I walked into this thread in a same way. I pointed out errors suggested by you people. That means, you have said something first which I don't agree. It is you who attacked the Bible message first, then I defended it. If you do not attack, then I don't have to talk you.You said: All that is false. Then I reply: Why? Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

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We can see two lines of evidence that go against what you said.

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That is the generally accepted scientific view, so I think it’s been accounted for. Besides what explanation do you have as you admit that there is too much water.

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First, neighboring celestial bodies like Mars, our moon, and Venus are all very dry (even consider environment in their early stage). Why should the earth be an exception?

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Both the Moon and Mars had more water than they do now, and lost it to space. We know this.Venus is incredibly hot, due to a runaway greenhouse effect to it won’t have liquid water. And apparently it’s lack of a magnetosphere has lead to it, too losing water to space, through the solar wind.

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Second: None of the Mars, moon and Venus ever possible to have a global flood (do you know why?) Why is the earth so special?

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I’ve already given reasons why they have less water now. And you have yet to make a convincing case for the Earth experiencing a global flood.

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Both evidences pointed to a special mechanism of water generation on the earth. I have briefly explained that in several earlier posts. (basically it focused on the generation of continental rocks. Remember, the earth did not have any "land" at the beginning)

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The fact that we know that there is water ice out there in space rather acts against that. Unless you have actual evidence for this mechanism - and if you do you should present it to the geologists - I don’t think it’s a starter. Also you’d have to explain why it would be restricted to Earth.

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One lesson you should learn from talking to me: the possibility of the global flood is closely related to the origin (the formation) of both ocean water and continent. It is not just a simple water budget problem.

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Since you don’t have any significant scientific evidence for this flood, nor any scientific reason to believe that this is the Flood that this topic is discussing, maybe you should start a new topic where you can make theological arguments since they seem to be the meat of your case.

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You do have show where you stand in a discussion. Otherwise, what am I going to talk to you? I don't have to convince you Noah's Flood did happen. Ultimately it is a faith (which is science+)problem.

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This thread is for the scientific discussion of whether Noah’s Flood occurred as described in the Bible. If you cannot make a scientific case you may as well leave the thread. (And if you can, you really don’t need Tangle to explain his position)