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Juvenissun
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Message 2266 of 2370 (881552)
08-25-2020 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2261 by jar
08-25-2020 10:06 AM


Re: Time scales
That does not change the fact that the materials on the Moon are the same as on the Earth.
Do you even have a clue how granite is made?
Amazing.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2267 of 2370 (881553)
08-25-2020 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2264 by dwise1
08-25-2020 1:06 PM


Re: Time scales
The moon also does not have any limestone. Nor should it. The conditions that would produce a lot of granite (a molten core and magma) or limestone (zoeplankton living in seas) do not and have not existed on the moon.
If so, why does that stupid guy say that moon has the sample composition as the earth?

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Message 2268 of 2370 (881554)
08-25-2020 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2255 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 9:37 AM


Re: Time scales
Are you trying to run away from my question?
What question? Your brain-dead stupid ad-hoc nonsense that a planet inside the orbit of Mercury would have to have a climate that is benevolent to human life and to liquid water? Sheer idiotic lunacy!
And I did indeed answer it by pointing out what completely and utter nonsense it was. Here is my answer again since you refused to read it the first time (Message 2247):
DWise1 writes:
And what ad hoc false assertions will you make up for that nonsense? And then reject all explanations of why you are completely wrong.
If you are going to try to talk about science, then learn something about science!
If you refuse to learn, then just stick with theology where you can just make up any stupid shit you want to. You can get away with that in theology, but not in science.
Now, if you have a valid explanation for your silly scenario, then do present it. But if it's nothing but stupid made-up bullshit nonsense (which is all that you have been presenting here and which is the stuff of theology and not of science -- this is a science forum so you should take your made up bullshit nonsense (AKA theology) to a theology forum), then why waste everybody's time? Especially when you will only refuse to listen yet again.
Edited by dwise1, : the stuff of theology, not of science

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dwise1
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Message 2269 of 2370 (881555)
08-25-2020 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 2265 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 1:13 PM


Re: Time scales
So then you agree that your silly Himalayas idea is truly stupid.
And then you will completely reverse yourself and double down on idiotic lunacy. Yet again.

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dwise1
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Message 2270 of 2370 (881556)
08-25-2020 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2267 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 1:18 PM


Re: Time scales
If so, why does that stupid guy say that moon has the sample composition as the earth?
First, please stop projecting. You are the stupid one here. Comparing your (pl) postings here, jar is by far your mental and intellectual and moral superior.
Second, could you please try to write in English instead of in gibberish? Just what the hell is (my emphasis added) " ... say that moon has the sample composition as the earth" supposed to mean? That makes absolutely no sense at all. The only thing that makes even less sense are your many instances of ad hoc bullshit lunacies.
Jar says that the moon has been found to have the same composition as the earth because we have found that the moon does have the same composition as the earth. The same elements and compounds in the same proportions are found on the moon as well on the earth. Only a f*cking idiot such as yourself would insist that that must include geologic formations produced by processes on the earth that do not operate on the moon.
Edited by dwise1, : added my emphasis

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jar
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Message 2271 of 2370 (881557)
08-25-2020 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2267 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 1:18 PM


Re: Time scales
Because the moon is made from the same materials as Earth.
I even gave you a clue.
How is granite made?
Sheesh.
Learn the basics, stuff every middle schooler should already know.

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dwise1
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Message 2272 of 2370 (881560)
08-25-2020 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2256 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 9:57 AM


Re: Time scales
It would be no different from a mountain size asteroid hit the ocean.
Not even close:
quote:
Kinetic energy: K = (1/2) × mass × (velocity)2
Of course, that link is provided for lurkers, since you would never ever follow it for fear of accidentally learning something.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2273 of 2370 (881561)
08-25-2020 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2268 by dwise1
08-25-2020 1:23 PM


Re: Time scales
Your brain-dead stupid ad-hoc nonsense
Sorry, no matter how brilliant your argument is, these words are enough to turn me off.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2274 of 2370 (881562)
08-25-2020 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2271 by jar
08-25-2020 2:06 PM


Re: Time scales
I am not going to tell you how granite is made. But only let you know that moon has no granite.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2275 of 2370 (881563)
08-25-2020 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2270 by dwise1
08-25-2020 1:49 PM


Re: Time scales
Only a f*cking idiot such as yourself
Barbarian.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2276 of 2370 (881564)
08-25-2020 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2269 by dwise1
08-25-2020 1:39 PM


Re: Time scales
So then you agree that your silly Himalayas idea is truly stupid.
I would talk to you again when you can talk in decency.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2277 of 2370 (881565)
08-25-2020 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2271 by jar
08-25-2020 2:06 PM


Re: Time scales
Because the moon is made from the same materials as Earth.
No, it is not.

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jar
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Message 2278 of 2370 (881567)
08-25-2020 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2274 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 2:43 PM


Re: Time scales
LOL
Learn the basics. I'm not asking you to learn High School level stuff, just the basics.
Once you show you can do that we can try a conversation.

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Message 2279 of 2370 (881573)
08-25-2020 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2264 by dwise1
08-25-2020 1:06 PM


Re: Time scales
dwise1 writes:
You really need to sit down and have a long talk with a geologist. Oh yeah, I forgot, the moment you see a geologist you run away as fast as you can.
You're forgetting, he IS a geologist.
And also a YEC.

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Message 2280 of 2370 (881579)
08-25-2020 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 2253 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 9:33 AM


Re: Time scales
DWise1 writes:
The period of an orbit (AKA TIME) depends on the size of the orbit (AKA DISTANCE)
Why do you assume the gravitational force is a constant?
First, that relationship between orbital elements holds true regardless of the mass of the central body (so long as that mass is sufficiently greater than the orbiting body; eg, the sun vis--vis any individual planet, any individual planet vis--vis any individual satellite be it natural or artificial).
And since you are doubtlessly totally ignorant of universal gravitation:
Gravitational Force: Fg = gravitational_constant × (masscentral body × massorbiting body) / distance2
If the central body's mass is significantly greater than the orbiting body's mass, then we can safely ignore the orbiting body's mass.
Gravitational force can be changed by changing the distance or by changing the mass of the central body. Changing the mass of the central body happens far less often than changing the distance, though it can happen such as in the case of the sun losing mass by "burning".
Second, we are comparing two different orbits at roughly the same point in time, since your ad hoc pipe dream involves a rapid change of orbits.
Third, the effects on the sun's gravity even over extended periods of time has proven to be insignificant.
Could {the gravitational force} be changed by the burning of the sun and the gaining or losing of mass on the earth?
Yes, as per Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation as given above.
Would it be enough to make any kind of noticeable difference? Only if the change in mass is great enough.
Would the change in mass be great enough to make any kind of noticeable difference? No.
  1. My first question was for the mechanism for the earth losing mass, so I looked it up:
    1. The earth's mass is 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tonnes (5.972×1021). The earth's mass includes the mass of its atmosphere and all particles suspended in the atmosphere.
    2. The earth gains mass through meteoric particles falling to the earth's surface or residing in its atmosphere as fine particles or smoke (see 1a above). That amounts to about 40,000 metric tonnes per year (4.0×104). That additional mass would increase the earth's mass by an order of magnitude of O(-17) (about 10 quintillionths). If you were to try to add that to the earth's mass in a spreadsheet or on a calculator, it would very likely be lost in the round-off error.
    3. The earth losses mass primarily through the escape of atmospheric hydrogen and helium into space. That mass amounts to 50,000 metric tonnes per year. Note that this loss is of the same order of magnitude as the earth's mass gain.
    4. Combining losses and gains gives us a rate of mass loss for the earth of 10,000 metric tonnes per year. That amount is so insignificant compared to the total mass of the earth as have effectively no effect on gravitational force.
  2. Because the earth's mass is significantly less than the sun's, it plays so little part in the gravitational force between it and the sun that we can ignore it. That is to say, changes in the earth's mass (which are already insignificant) have no significant effect on the sun's gravitational force on the earth.
  3. The effects of the sun's loss of mass from its "burning" are so insignificant as to be negligible. You know that already from my Message 2177.
    1. Even over an extended period of time, the nearly 5 billion (109) years that the sun has existed, the change in the sun's mass amounts to a loss of a few hundredths of one percent.
    2. Since gravitational force is directly proportional to the mass of the central body (here, the sun) -- refer again to Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to see that -- , that means that that loss of mass by a few hundredths of one percent results in a decrease in gravitational force by a few hundredths of one percent.
    3. That slightly lower mass over 5 billion years means that 5 billion years ago the ancient sun's gravitational force would have been a few hundredths of one percent greater.
    4. That slightly greater gravitational force for the ancient sun would have resulted in the earth's orbit to have been smaller by about 60,000 miles. That would mean that the size of the earth's orbit 5 billion years ago would have been 0.999355 that of the earth's current orbit.
    5. Plugging that old semi-major axis from 5 billion years ago back into the formula for the orbital period (Message 2235), we find that that smaller orbit due to the greater solar mass resulted in a year that was about 8353 seconds shorter -- that's a bit more than two hours shorter.
There's your answer. And of course you will completely ignore it. The false religion you have chosen to follow (not to be confused with actual Christianity) can only survive through the ignorance of its followers. Therefore you must do everything you possibly can to preserve your precious ignorance. That means that you must avoid ever learning anything and above all to avoid thinking.
So why am I casting these pearls before swine such as yourself? Maybe if I annoy the pig enough it will finally wake up and start to think, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Rather, this is not really for you, but rather for the lurkers. The many visitors to this forum who read these topics. You are too pig-stubbornly clinging to your ignorance and can therefore never learn, but those lurkers can learn.

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