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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1568 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
There has not been a flood on the moon. The moon rocks are bone dry and moon rocks can not change like the same rocks would do on the earth. So the moon rocks stopped generating water soon after their formation. WHERE did I dodged the question? I gave MORE than it is needed.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1568 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
You must have a lot time to waste in this writing. Have nothing better to do?
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Pollux Member (Idle past 144 days) Posts: 303 Joined:
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The Earth is slowing by two milliseconds per century, not per year, and so will be faster in Jurassic times,not slower, by about 2000 seconds. This is borne out by study of growth lines in ancient corals.
Moving of mass around on the surface of the Earth will not change its orbit. And how do eroded products from the Himalayas finish up on the mantle?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Your stuff read much better now. And thanks for giving so much information. It is tooo long, and I don't know how to respond to all of them. It was as long as it needed to be. Besides, it is very difficult to tell how extensive your abject ignorance is, so we don't know whether the very basic knowledge that we leave out isn't one of the many things that you do not know. Therefore, we are forced to make our messages much more complete. We cannot afford to assume anything about what you know and what you don't.
There is no butterfly effect in the geologic process. Even it has, the rate would be too slow to see the impact. What you wrote was invoking the butterfly effect, so I had to address it and show that it doesn't come into play here. I assume that we now agree on this point.
What I am talking about is a single simple process, but continued for millions of years. Which I did address. So is this your concession that you agree with my treatment of the subject? Since you say nothing about it, that must be the case.
If the earth rotation slowed down 2E-3 sec. per year, then in 2E8 years (back to the Jurrasic time), the earth would be 1E5 sec. slower in spinning. Ah, but what if the earth rotation slowed down 2,000,000 seconds per minute? Then what impossible consequences would that have? Earth's rotation is not slowing down 2 milliseconds per year, nowhere near that impossible rate -- and just where in the hell did you get that impossibly false rate from? The actual rate is 2 ms per day per century, which means that after 100 years the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it had been one hundred years before. I've already told you that multiple times and now have explained the history of it to you (which is on my web page about the creationist leap second claim, but which you would never ever dare to even look at for fear of possibly learning something).
Leap seconds are a very real thing; I know that because I worked with them in conjunction with GPS receivers which I worked with for the last two decades of my career. They actually work in exactly the same way that leap years work. A year is 365.25 (approx) days long, so you have three years that are 365 days long and then every fourth year you add a day to bring everything back into sync (actually, it's a quarter day minus about 11 minutes, which is why the Gregorian correction is needed). Leap seconds are just the same thing. Every single day that goes by, Coordinated Universal Time (UTC, which is the time that we set our clocks to) drifts away from Atomic Time by 2 ms per day. After 18 months, we have drifted away from official time by one second, so we add a "leap second" to sync mean solar time back up with atomic time. It's just that simple. OK, some basic math here. Every UTC day is 2 ms longer than a day in official atomic time. One day goes by and we're off by 2 ms. A second day goes by and we're now 4 ms off. A third day and it's now 6 ms that we are off. And so on and so on. The accumulation of 2 ms cumulative error per day over a period of 18 months amounts to an accumulated error of about one second. Well, some stupid creationists (eg, Walt Brown) misinterpreted the leap second as meaning that adding that leap second every 18 months meant that the earth's rotation was slowing down at the rate of one second every 18 months, which is absolutely ridiculous.
If the earth rotation slowed down 2E-3 sec. per year, then in 2E8 years (back to the Jurrasic time), the earth would be 1E5 sec. slower in spinning. As I just now demonstrated, that is all nothing but complete and utter stupid nonsense. Really?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
You must have a lot time to waste in this writing. Have nothing better to do? Well, part of agonizing the swine is the satisfaction of making them squeal. You are trying to fraudulently promote yourself as being a geologist. Everything that you have posted has demonstrated that you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Even geologists normally demonstrate that they know what they are talking about. You on the the other hand have demonstrated repeatedly and consistently that you have absolutely no fucking idea what you are blathering on about. So then, you want to claim that you are an actual geologist. So then just what the fuck do you base that claim on? If you had any actual credentials, you should have absolutely no problem answering that question.
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, a red brick is kinda a geologist.
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Pollux Member (Idle past 144 days) Posts: 303 Joined:
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Eroding mountains will not affect the length of the year, because all the eroded particles are still orbiting at the same rate, and they are tiny fraction of the Earth's mass. There is a measurable effect on the ROTATION of the Earth from quakes and redistribution of mass, but it is also tiny.
Anyway, erosion of Himalayas would only reverse the effect of their initial elevation by India colliding with Asia.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: I take it then, that your answer was simply unclear, and absolutely nothing is what you meant. Because your answer says nothing relevant at all.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined:
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I have just "bumped" the page top announcement such that it will flash until being read. There is no excuse for not seeing and reading that message.
Every message in this topic (and any other science topics) must have some real content relating to the topic's theme. This topic's theme is pretty well defined by the topic title, "Did the Flood really happen?", the "Flood" being that as described in the Bible. Juvenissun's topic related message content has been all but nonexistent, and the replies to his/her messages have often not been any better. I'm ready to start doing suspensions towards anyone who can't get in touch with the topic theme. Any replies to this message MUST go to the General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') topic. To reply to this message in this topic is to make the moose angry. AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1568 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
The actual rate is 2 ms per day per century, which means that after 100 years the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it had been one hundred years before. OK, I misquoted the unit. Sorry. This argument just emphasized on that a tiny change may become significant through the geologic time. That, basically, is not directly related to my orbit change idea by collisions between the earth and other celestial bodies.
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ringo Member (Idle past 672 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
So maybe you know why there was never a flood on the moon. But what has that got to do with a flood on EARTH? What is there ON EARTH that makes a flood possible HERE? And if you say "granite," you have to explain HOW granite makes a flood possible here. There has not been a flood on the moon. The moon rocks are bone dry and moon rocks can not change like the same rocks would do on the earth. So the moon rocks stopped generating water soon after their formation. Is it enough?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1568 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
This topic's theme is pretty well defined by the topic title, "Did the Flood really happen?", the "Flood" being that as described in the Bible. Juvenissun's topic related message content has been all but nonexistent, and the replies to his/her messages have often not been any better. Honestly, if any of my arguments is not related to the Flood, I won't spend time doing it in this thread. The Flood is a BIG issue. It involves many many subtopics. TIME is a critical one of them. Like I said, if Noah is not real, then the Flood will not be real. Is a 960-year old Noah real? That is the issue in the recent posts. Noah's age and time are not that much geology related, and I am not that good to talk about it. However, you may not say that what I argued about is not related to the Flood. Everything, when you examine it in very detail, it tends to become an issue apparently deviated from the issue on the surface. In fact, I could quite the issue of earth's orbit and start another intrinsic factor about time, which is critical to the Flood. I am the one who is leading the direction of talk in this thread. The others just blindly followed my step, and are busy in criticizing whatever I talked about. A test of this would be that if I quit talking about earth's orbit, no one would mention this issue again.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1568 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
So maybe you know why there was never a flood on the moon. But what has that got to do with a flood on EARTH? What is there ON EARTH that makes a flood possible HERE? And if you say "granite," you have to explain HOW granite makes a flood possible here. Your question is a logic followup. It is good one when compared to those asked by others. If we can squeeze the moon into the mantle of the earth, then the moon rocks will start to generate water again. The key is that earth is big enough and is dynamic enough for the water to be made. While the moon is too small to do that. That is why we say that the moon is almost geologically dead. (curious about possible activity in the core of moon). When the moon was young and active, some water was generated by moon rocks. That is why we can find a small amount of ice on the moon today.
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ringo Member (Idle past 672 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
THAT is where your problem is. You have to show that rocks generate water. Explain it very specifically. If we can squeeze the moon into the mantle of the earth, then the moon rocks will start to generate water again. You don't need to mention the moon at all."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1568 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
I take it then, that your answer was simply unclear, and absolutely nothing is what you meant. Because your answer says nothing relevant at all. My answer has some serious words in it. Why is it nothing? Please do not answer this question.
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