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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Very good. Rocks (igneous) contain (OH) ion in it. That is the source of free water. The problem is to squeeze this (OH) ion out. This could be done by reacting (OH)-bearing minerals in the rock into "dry" rocks which has no (OH)-bearing minerals. Normally, this kind of reactions take place when the T and P condition become higher, i.e. goes deeper into the earth. Of course, the freed water would go up to the surface.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16735 Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
quote: I didn’t say that it was nothing. I said that it meant “absolutely nothing” - note the quote marks. Because it did not include anything that answered the question.
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ringo Member Posts: 18877 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Where does the required H+ ion come from? How do you expect the reaction to take place in dry rocks? "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Can't help to say this, just tying to depress you. One of my undergraduate student took a study on brick (artificial rock) as his undergraduate thesis. I was amazed on how many different kind of brick he collected and dissected. You think you know bricks?
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Hey, consider to study geology? Excellent questions. The (OH) [not H] get into igneous rocks by water already existed in magma. of course, when the rock is on the surface, a lot more water is available. The original earth (a molten globe) contained water in the magma. It would be very precious to get the hand on those "primitive" water today. In general, the reaction is like this: Wet-minerals + other minerals --> dry-minerals + H2O This reaction needs input of energy.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
A term at a Ph.D. level will not mean anything to a kid.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16735 Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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quote: I am sorry that my point went over your head. I will try to write more simply for your benefit. Here is the real question you haven’t answered: How do conditions on the Moon support the idea that there was a global Flood on Earth?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4429 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
No, you did far more than that. You grossly inflated the rate in order to arrive at very bogus conclusions :
At the actual rate at which the earth's rotation is actually slowing down, then 200 million years ago (your 2E8) the earth's rotation would have been faster (not slower) by one hour, which is 3600 seconds. That means that by misrepresenting the rate at which the earth is slowing you inflated your result by a factor of 27.78. Very dishonest of you!
Except that it doesn't work as you wish it would, as you need it to work in order to justify long lifespan that the story reports for Noah. This tiny change in the length of the earth's rotational period does result in hours of difference over long periods of geologic time, such as 12 hours [i]over the past four billion years (ie, 4,000 million years -- not everybody reading this uses the US billion). You require enormous change over short periods of time in order to support your apologetics for the Story of Noah. Nothing that you have tried to invoke will do that. In fact, you have tried almost everything you can except for the actual answer: It's a story! Instead of wasting your time and effort on this story, you should do something far more constructive, such as figuring out ways in which Thor's hammer, Mjölnir, can be lifted by someone or something that is not worthy (Cap: "The elevator is not worthy.").
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4429 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
For example, one of the factors slowing the earth's spin down is the ongoing (and slow) rebound of the northern hemisphere as it recovers from the weight of the ice cap during the last ice age. That is changing the earth's moment of inertia, increasing it, which results in a corresponding decrease in the earth's spin due to conservation of angular momentum. Juvenissun's main problem is that he does not understand physics, not even the most basic and simple physics.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 23 days) Posts: 5548 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Interesting! To think that I spent about fifty years as a chemist and never knew that! Thanks!
Where does the hydrogen hide in those dry rocks?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4429 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
In addition to this, you also have proposed an asteroid the size of a mountain hitting the earth, saying that it would be the same as the Himalayas suddenly collapsing. You have proposed this in support of the Story of Noah's Flood. That is clearly incorrect as we can demonstrate through simple physics, namely linear momentum and the law of conservation of linear momentum. Linear momentum = mass_of_the_body × velocity_of_the_body = mv When two bodies collide, the linear momentum of the new system is equal to the sum of the bodies' momentums. Keep in mind that velocity is a vector which means that it has direction as well as magnitude (AKA speed) -- I hope that that does not confuse you too much. OK, let's establish some reasonable values. I'll use metric units because they just make far more sense and are easier to work with. I will also use computer E-notation instead of regular scientific notation (eg, 2.34E-2 instead of 2.34×10-2) since you have demonstrated that you are familiar with it and also so you won't completely screw up copying the text yet again.
A few comments on that list:
OK, now to calculate the effects that impacts with those linear momentums would have in changing the earth's velocity:
Compared to the earth's orbital speed of 30,000 m/sec, the effects that such impacts would have on changing the earth's orbital speed are so miniscule that they just barely hang onto the right side of a calculator display. Also remember that these figures are upper bounds, so the actual values that would actually happen will be far less. IOW, they have virtually no effect on the earth's orbit.
Juvenissun, learn something about science! Apply what you have learned to test your own ideas first! That way you can spot the real stinkers yourself so that you can avoid using them. Instead, all you are doing with your bone-headed baseless claims is to destroy any credibility that you could possibly have as well as exposing how horrifically bad your false religion and silly phony god are (again, not to be confused with actual Christianity). So do yourself a favor and learn something! Edited by dwise1, : reminder that these are upper bounds
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
The moon rocks can generate some water. So the earth rocks can generate tremendous amount of water. This is a very simple answer and you probably can not understand. But you can ask question.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
[qs]Except that it doesn't work as you wish it would, as you need it to work in order to justify long lifespan that the story reports for Noah. This tiny change in the length of the earth's rotational period does result in hours of difference over long periods of geologic time, such as 12 hours [i]over the past four billion years (ie, 4,000 million years -- not everybody reading this uses the US billion).
[/qs] I did not say that single factor will work.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
There is no hydrogen [H+] in any rocks. There is only (OH-). Dehydration is a main reaction in deep seated rocks of the earth. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16735 Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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quote: We already know that the Earth has a lot of water. So this adds nothing. Even if it is true. It’s the sort of argument you wouldn’t bother with if you had anything worthwhile. But of course you don’t.
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