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Percy Member Posts: 22472 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: What are you imagining would do the jumbling up? The thought is that both the greatest part of the surface of the earth AND the sea floor are not discreet sediments but mixed or jumbled sediments,... Land predominantly experiences net erosion, sea floor net deposition. You can't compare the two. Since sediments accumulate on the sea floor at a gradual rate that averages around one or two inches per millennium, what are you imagining is happening to jumble them? Of course sea floors experience all the familiar geological events like storms and earthquakes and so on, but here and there, not everywhere.
...in which creatures do not usually manage to get themselves buried, let alone fossilized. Predators eat them and even their bones eventually decompose. How do you know how often life gets itself buried? Seriously, tell us how you know this, because just asserting it over and over again without telling us how you figured this out is getting tiresome. What about getting buried during an avalanche along the continental shelf. How about any creatures that happen to have recently died off the coast when a storm causes a river to dump a torrent of water with a heavy sediment load into the coastal ocean. How about dying and sinking into deep enough water to fall out of reach of predators. Or any of dozens of different scenarios.
Most sedimentary layers are marine, Yes but the odd thing is that both the marine and the terrestrial sedimentary rocks in the geological column are clearly in FORM -- flatness, thickness, etc -- created by the same processes. But terrestrial and marine sediments were not created by the same processes, and they do not have the appearance of being created by the same processes. Terrestrial sediments are markedly different from marine sediments. Terrestrial sediments only accumulate in low lying areas like basins and coastal regions. Dinosaur National Park was a basin 150 million years ago. Terrestrial strata were clearly deposited by lakes and rivers in floodplains or in arid areas by aeolian processes. Flat terrestrial regions are not that uncommon, as you know. Maybe this looks familiar, it's in your state, after all:
Some of the sediments are completely just one kind in both cases, all sandstone or all limestone or whatever,... Terrestrial sandstone strata, sure, sand is common in plains and deserts. Terrestrial limestone strata, no, because the kind of life that makes up limestone strata does not live on land.
...and all have fossilized creatures contained in them, marine creatures, land creatures, both in their respective strata. It would be very unusual and unexpected to find terrestrial life in any limestone layers, for obvious reasons.
and beneath the sea today is only slow and steady deposition of sediments. And this is not building on the geological column but you all think that's just fine even though the geological column is a very definite thing covering very definite locations,... The geologic column is conceptual and worldwide. There isn't anywhere in the world that the geologic column doesn't represent the sequence through time of geological formations.
...so that since the time periods were identified in relation to it,... This is a sort of okay way of saying it, but the reality is that the geologic column delineates and identifies the time periods in a geologic context. A synonym for geologic column is geologic time scale.
...that whole system has now come to an end and you are treating this fact as meaningless. No, it has ended, as it would have if the Flood built it, but you all go on trying to cobble together utterly unrelated situations as if they continued the column. They don't. Oh, here we go again, another pronouncement from Faith on high completely lacking in any facts, evidence, logic or reasoning. So tell us, what ended the geologic column? Did time come to an end? When that last grain of flood sediment came to rest and completed the geologic column, where did the grain of sand that emerged from a river a few minutes later and settled next to it come to rest if not also on the geologic column?
Any life buried in today's era will be from today. Any life buried 10,000 years from now will be from that future era, not from today. This is very orderly and organized and not at all jumbled up. Except the geological column is all built one on top of another in the same place,... Now you're not making any sense. The geologic column was not "all built one on top of another in the same place."It is not built on top of itself, it is a single conceptual entity, and it isn't all in the same place but worldwide. There is only one geological column, it is conceptual, and it is worldwide. The geologic column can be superimposed upon the actual sequence of formations in any given location.
...and these situations you are describing are formed hither and yon with no relation whatever to the geological column which is what has defined all the time periods, until now for some reason. What do you mean "until now for some reason." The geologic time scale is defined right up to the present, the Holocene. Tomorrow will still be the Holocene, as will next year and the next century. At some point they'll add another epoch after the Holocene, but that won't likely be for a while, a very long while, since the previous epoch, the Pleistocene, lasted about 2.5 million years. The Holocene only began a mere 12,000 years ago.
Where is your impression of jumbled up coming from? The actual situation of the sedimentary mixes and jumbles we see over most of the surface of the earth, and if you HAVE to include the sea bottom, there too. Well of course you have to include the seabeds, but where is your impression of "sedimentary mixes and jumbles" coming from? Please be specific. Use Google Image search. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22472 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Minnemooseus writes: Just because the Silurian strata is vertical or near vertical at that location does not mean that it is near vertical everywhere. Sorry, I should have been more clear. In this image I was referring to the Devonian strata at the top, not the Silurian strata beneath:
In my Message 698 I was comparing this actual tilt at Siccar Point to my calculated tilt of the strata in the UK cross section of near zero. Edge commented that the inconsistencies I'd found in the cross section were likely just due to its being hand drawn and so not uniformly to scale. --Percy
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