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Phat
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Message 18 of 24 (880250)
07-31-2020 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Juvenissun
07-31-2020 10:43 AM


Evolution vs YEC and Creationism in general in 2020
Juvenisssun writes:

Why don't geologist come to this kind of forum. Did they come and leave? I met a few with MS degree in geology. But they did not talk much. I also know a few Ph.D. in Earth Sciences. But they are not in geology.
One reason I can think of is that you people disappointed them too much. It is not about Christianity, but is on the way you people talked. You do not really care about geology, but are trying to insult them with arrogance.

I will attempt to honestly answer your question because I discern that you are not a troll but are determined to understand more about what you believe and why its not more widespread. First off, it is true that many here at EvC can be arrogant. The site basically runs itself. It is a bastion of respectful free speech and is a bit of a shared blog among many members who have been here a long time. We used to moderate more than we do now because the members who are here *should* know to be more respectful towards new members and the majority of new members who come here are a bit immature and end up getting themselves banned because they are frustrated with the arguments. The main reason more Geologists don't come here (in my opinion) is because they have other ways to talk shop amongst themselves and, like all of us, don't engage in social media to talk shop.

I will tell you this. The scientific minds at this forum are quite well adept at basic Critical Thinking and logic, reason and reality. They have encountered many PRATTS (Points refuted A Thousand Times) and years ago argued with many creationists who could never support their arguments with the basic scientific method and in fact had an alternate point of view. Please forgive them for being insulting to you. They are challenging you to think about things the way that mainstream Geology,Anthropology, Ecology, and on my side of the Forum, Philosophy and Theology think.

Let me ask you some questions in order to get a handle on whether you want to learn, teach, or both. May I?
1) Have you ever heard of Dr.Henry Morris? What do you think of the ICR?
2)Do you know who Ken Ham is and what he teaches? Do you agree or disagree with his conclusions?

You say that this is not about Christianity but it very much is. I am a Christian, but I actually stay out of the scientific arguments because I dont really care. All I care about is the philosophical and theological arguments. For me it is the Rock Of Ages rather than the Age of Rocks! So my advice is this: EvC is not for the timid. Forgive therm for being arrogant and remember that they are challenging you to think.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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Phat
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Message 19 of 24 (880251)
07-31-2020 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tangle
07-30-2020 3:25 AM


Reading The Paper
I am reading the paper. I will comment after reading it fully.

And you, sir best be more respectful to new members. You can knock me around all you want but leave the newbie alone and let him either learn to explain himself or hang himself.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 23 of 24 (880411)
08-05-2020 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Juvenissun
07-31-2020 3:45 PM


Re: Evolution vs YEC and Creationism in general in 2020
Juvenissun writes:

I am hanging out here basically for religious reason. Geology and science are only tools I used in conversation. These people do not accept God. Hopefully, logic and science would more effectively give them a better understanding about the words of God.

Personally, I suggest that you hang out on my side of the forum. You wont get anywhere in the science side.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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