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Message 3 of 67 (860637)
08-09-2019 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
08-09-2019 11:06 AM


Hate Can Take many Forms
Ridiculing her propensity to get mad,even if they are attempting to get her to loosen up and realize that her side also has bias...was inappropriate in a humor thread. Teasing someone who gets overly angry is a form of hate. Its like teasing the disabled kid at school for the funny reactions he evokes. All I was doing was attempting to reclaim the Humor thread for the sake of humor.
The basic argument should not be suppressed...it should just not be in the humor thread. And I think that the cartoon about Obama was hateful also.
Add By Edit:
Bitter Laughter
This was an article you may find interesting. It talks of the biting political humor and the not so subtle hate behind it from Mark Twain and HL Mencken.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 14 of 67 (860755)
08-11-2019 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
08-11-2019 2:59 PM


Re: General apology
Faith, that was off topic for the Hate Thread! The whole point of the thread is to be hateful, not to repent! (Just kidding, I appreciate your honesty)
Allow me to take up the cause (of hate).
I too will be quite honest.
Things I dislike about authoritarian conservatives:
  • They want to make America great and let the rest of the world fend for itself. The more religious among them seem to place Trump on a pedestal, thinking that he represents their interests. Trump may well not be racist(though I don't see evidence of this) but he most definitely looks out only for Americans and shuns the idea of altruistic globalism. So in essence I'm mad at a rich guy who appeals to his base of domestic working class trying to make it in life. At the expense of the rest of the world! Jesus would be more of a socialist, in my mind.
    AND YET.....(here is the irony)
    Things I dislike about progressive liberals:
  • Overall, they hate Christianity for its authoritarian tendencies as well as its claim to exclusivity. They have the audacity to think that humans invented God and Jesus and they want to help every darn family in the world even at our (United Staes) expense! They want to help every darn needy person IN the United Staes even if it means that MY future might be less comfortable as a result.
    In other words, I do fight myself at times, as ringo asserts. I am an uncomfortable moderate. I dont trust the liberals (or even Jesus) enough to simply give without stashing. I consider it my divine right to stash and to be allowed to do so.
    In essence, I hate conservatives that are wealthier than I am who want to keep (or diminish, or take)my money, and I hate liberals who are voting for me to be forced to help people poorer than me...especially those from other countries.
    This is my sinful carnal nature talking. In a way, I hate myself at times.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 18 of 67 (860899)
    08-13-2019 6:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
    08-12-2019 1:23 PM


    Patriots In Hong Kong
    Faith writes:
    We have responsibility for America, don't we? Certainly that's the job of our President, to protect and defend and promote America. And through conservative eyes America has been unfairly attacked by the Left for decades now....
    ringo writes:
    Those leftists are Americans too. It is not presidential to vilify a large proportion of his own people.
    I am a political moderate. I see positive traits in both Left and Right Wing ideologies and I also disagree with many of what both sides push. ringos argument is sound, yhowever. The president needs to represent all of the people...no matter what the ideology is. We are not a populist nation any more than we are a liberal nation.
    Faith writes:
    I get that you are torn between some liberal positions and some conservative ones, and that discussion could get well beyond my abilities pretty rapidly, but the idea that people who are wealthier than you are have any desire or ability to deprive you of money is a liberal lie.
    The fact is that the wealthier people expect the US middle class to support itself...in a world where we have to work harder and get educated simply to keep up with the competitive nature of the rest of the planet. I suppose this is not directly the wealthier peoples fault...but it exposes the idea that they look out only for themselves and do not want to help their fellow brethren succeed. This whole idea that marxists dominate the University campuses is also one-sided. You get your information wearing rose colored glasses. Christians are not only conservatives nor should they be.
    Also...responding to Faith in another thread:
    They are waving our flag and singing our anthem in Hong Kong????? Judging from the many comments from the video, it appears that they are respecting the United States way of life rather than attacking it. Where did you get any other idea?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 27 of 67 (861685)
    08-25-2019 2:28 PM


    The Kochs & Soros
    I'll move this over here.
    Theodoric writes:
    I hope his death was painful. Fuck him.
    Chiroptera writes:
    As one comment I read put it, it almost makes you wish there were a hell, doesn't it?
    Tanypteryx writes:
    I certainly agree with you about the character of Koch. He used his wealth and power to hasten the destruction of our planet's life support sytems. And he also used that power to influence our legislatures and Congress to stack the deck in his favor to avoid fair taxes and environmental protection regulations. He was truly an ugly American.
    And surprisingly, he also was a major contributor to public broadcasting and supported a number of programs that I enjoy watching and support myself.
    I find myself really, really puzzled why he engaged in a pattern of behavior that clearly is leading to accelerating degradation of the life support system and life on Earth. It is baffling to me that a powerful individual would have such disdain for the future of humanity and all life.
    Of course, he's gone, so he will not have to face the consequences of his lifelong behavior. The real villains rarely do.(...)I ran into a guy a while back who was still pissed that Ken Lay (Enron CEO) died a few months into his prison sentence. It was like he wanted to resurrect the guy so he could serve a real life sentence.
    Faith writes:
    Oh all right, I have to ask: why do you all hate them so much? I've heard of them, that they are rich supporters of conservative causes, but I've also heard from conservatives that they don't like their politics. In any case I really don't know anything about them except those comments. So why do you hate them so much? Is it something like how my side hates Soros?
    I suspect you've hit the nail on the head, Faith. The Koch Brothers were the conservative versions of George Soros. I'll research a bit to add fuel to our Hate Thread. All I know from what I have read so far is that the Koch Brothers contributed nothing to the Trump campaign, yet they are conservatives.
    George Soros: Billionaire philanthropist the far right loves to hate
    Why Do People Hate the Koch Brothers? Their Political Influence Does Not Sit Well With Many Americans
    Edited by Thugpreacha, : added comment

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 30 of 67 (861692)
    08-25-2019 2:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
    08-25-2019 2:41 PM


    Re: The Kochs & Soros
    I just pulled them off the internet...I never really thought about the media sources in general. I googled "Why do the left hate Soros? and "Why do the Right hate the Koch Brothers.
    I have heard, however, that media in general is left of center ideologically. Being a political moderate, I usually read several articles from different sources, but I never really consider that the way articles are written surreptitiously forms my political views. Should I?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 32 of 67 (861694)
    08-25-2019 2:55 PM
    Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
    08-25-2019 2:47 PM


    The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
    Perhaps the media in general is more left leaning than right leaning. At work, we have a newspaper called The Epoch Times which I read on break occasionally. It seems more Right Leaning, but I never read anything based on my preconceived ideologies... I'm gonna google a few more terms though. This fire is beginning to burn.
    Faith writes:
    A conservative can't help noticing that just about all the headlines we see anywhere, in print or on the internet, are skewed strongly Left. Google has become more Leftist by the day it seems.
    How about this one?
    Why the Left Is Consumed With Hate

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 34 of 67 (861698)
    08-25-2019 3:18 PM
    Reply to: Message 33 by jar
    08-25-2019 3:13 PM


    Re: The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
    Media Bias: Pretty Much All Of Journalism Now Leans Left, Study Shows
    So my heading is true. So what does it mean? Staying true to my claim of being a political moderate, I am curious what the media itself says about this Left Right skirmish...
    I found a basic comparison chart which seems relatively truthful.
    Comparison Chart
    The Hate is real. I've seen it come from both sides. The hate is based on differing ideologies and many people become energized to defend their political and moral ideology of choice. Faith and Theodoric are two who come from opposing (or different, at any rate) extremes.
    And I observe that AZPaul3 has a disdain for religions it seems. At least mine.
    I can see where the behavior of many "Christians" warrants such strong feelings of opposition. AZPaul3, if Jesus (as portrayed in the Book) were alive today, would you agree with Him or would you seek to limit His voice to no higher standard than your own?
    jar writes:
    Actually the media is consumed by two things, will(the copy) make money and can it be defended with reality?
    This gets back to my question regarding Christianity being spread because of its Source or because of human ambition for power(and money) and I suspect we can argue either way. You likely will ask how I know that such and such a copy is being spread due to a Holy Spirit and what that even is. You have a way to break this stuff down...why can't you just represent Christianity and support your local Holy Spirit? (Careful...we don't want the Hate Thread to drift off-topic )

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 53 of 67 (861806)
    08-27-2019 11:27 AM
    Reply to: Message 49 by Theodoric
    08-27-2019 8:14 AM


    Re: Response to Percy from thread
    I read your link:
    Even David Kochs Philanthropy Was Toxic
    Some quotes I gleaned from that article:
    quote:
    Must we celebrate David Koch’s bountiful donations to public institutions, even if we dislike how the duo have pushed the Republican Party (and America as a whole) to the right? Not at all. The Koch brothers’ bad deeds outweigh their public service. Besides, plutocratic philanthropy is a wretched social model.
    It’s true that David Koch gave money to cancer research. It’s also undeniable that Koch Industries has given cancer to its workers and other people. David Koch’s New York Times obituary notes that he started funding research into cancer after his own diagnosis in 1992. But behind this heartwarming tale of a tycoon awakening to his mortality is a more disturbing story of an oligarch who mistreated his employees.
    As a political moderate, I see good and bad in both liberal and conservative positions. One of my close friends, Paul my accountant, is a champion of Dr.Milton Friedman and after reading much of Friedman's theories, I am semi-convinced that the US would never succeed as a socialist nation. The wealth needs to be generated from somewhere, and simply planning to tax the rich and *make* them pay their *fair share* is unrealistic---they will always find ways to escape that if they so choose.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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