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Faith
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Message 31 of 67 (861693)
08-25-2019 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Thugpreacha
08-25-2019 2:45 PM


Re: The Kochs & Soros
A conservative can't help noticing that just about all the headlines we see anywhere, in print or on the internet, are skewed strongly Left. Google has become more Leftist by the day it seems.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 32 of 67 (861694)
08-25-2019 2:55 PM
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08-25-2019 2:47 PM


The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
Perhaps the media in general is more left leaning than right leaning. At work, we have a newspaper called The Epoch Times which I read on break occasionally. It seems more Right Leaning, but I never read anything based on my preconceived ideologies... I'm gonna google a few more terms though. This fire is beginning to burn.
Faith writes:

A conservative can't help noticing that just about all the headlines we see anywhere, in print or on the internet, are skewed strongly Left. Google has become more Leftist by the day it seems.


How about this one?

Why the Left Is Consumed With Hate


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 33 of 67 (861697)
08-25-2019 3:13 PM
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08-25-2019 2:55 PM


Re: The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
Phat writes:

Perhaps the media in general is more left leaning than right leaning.

Actually the media is consumed by two things, will make money and can it be defended with reality?


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Thugpreacha
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Message 34 of 67 (861698)
08-25-2019 3:18 PM
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08-25-2019 3:13 PM


Re: The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
Media Bias: Pretty Much All Of Journalism Now Leans Left, Study Shows

So my heading is true. So what does it mean? Staying true to my claim of being a political moderate, I am curious what the media itself says about this Left Right skirmish...

I found a basic comparison chart which seems relatively truthful.

Comparison Chart

The Hate is real. I've seen it come from both sides. The hate is based on differing ideologies and many people become energized to defend their political and moral ideology of choice. Faith and Theodoric are two who come from opposing (or different, at any rate) extremes.

And I observe that AZPaul3 has a disdain for religions it seems. At least mine.

I can see where the behavior of many "Christians" warrants such strong feelings of opposition. AZPaul3, if Jesus (as portrayed in the Book) were alive today, would you agree with Him or would you seek to limit His voice to no higher standard than your own?

jar writes:

Actually the media is consumed by two things, will(the copy) make money and can it be defended with reality?

This gets back to my question regarding Christianity being spread because of its Source or because of human ambition for power(and money) and I suspect we can argue either way. You likely will ask how I know that such and such a copy is being spread due to a Holy Spirit and what that even is. You have a way to break this stuff down...why can't you just represent Christianity and support your local Holy Spirit? (Careful...we don't want the Hate Thread to drift off-topic )

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 35 of 67 (861699)
08-25-2019 3:18 PM
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08-25-2019 2:41 PM


Re: The Kochs & Soros
But of course it's all "Americans," not just the Far Left or even the Left as such, who particularly hate the Koch brothers

Says who?

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Message 36 of 67 (861700)
08-25-2019 3:19 PM
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08-25-2019 2:47 PM


Re: The Kochs & Soros
Except for your right-wing sources and heroes.

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Faith
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Message 37 of 67 (861701)
08-25-2019 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Thugpreacha
08-25-2019 2:55 PM


Re: The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
One article seemingly from the right doesn't tell us much. Since that is the Wall Street Journal I'd have to read the whole thing to assess it. And I didn't say there is a total absence of conservative points of view, but you usually have to look to find them, on the inner pages of Google rather than the first page for instance.

Mark Levin's most recent book, Unfreedom of the Press, that I've recommended a number of times now, covers the history of how the press gave up any pretense to objective coverage of the news and became the partisan mouthpiece of the Left.

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jar
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Message 38 of 67 (861703)
08-25-2019 3:32 PM
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08-25-2019 3:18 PM


Re: The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
Phat writes:

You have a way to break this stuff down...why can't you just represent Christianity and support your local Holy Spirit?

Just as with the media, what does the evidence show?


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Message 39 of 67 (861710)
08-25-2019 4:43 PM
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08-25-2019 3:19 PM


The Media In General Is More Corporate Profit than News
Mark Levin's most recent book, Unfreedom of the Press, that I've recommended a number of times now, covers the history of how the press gave up any pretense to objective coverage of the news and became the partisan mouthpiece of the Left.

Which I consider to be right wing propaganda bias. From the coverage of Bernie Sanders in the press in 2016 and again now, I see very little coverage of his rallies and positions, some criticism that is misinformed and other slights. This is hardly what I would expect from a leftist media.

The main stream media is owned by corporations that are interested in corporation profits. Bottom Line. This is why - in my opinion - main stream media "news" has become infotainment, self-promotion of stations and fluff pieces on media people (movie stars etc) rather than real news. The more people watch the station the happier the corporate owners are. And if there is propaganda it is to promote corporate interests.

In politics today it seems that Eisenhower would be a "leftist socialist" politician because the republican party has move so far to the right and away from their traditional values. You see this again and again in comments from people that no longer register as republicans that the party has left them.

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Message 40 of 67 (861711)
08-25-2019 4:47 PM
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08-25-2019 3:18 PM


Re: The Media In General Is More Left Than Right
And I observe that AZPaul3 has a disdain for religions it seems. At least mine.

Yes, Thug. Disdain for religion. All of them.

Supernatural bullshit may be great levity but it can no longer be tolerated as a legitimate thought process in this species.

AZPaul3, if Jesus (as portrayed in the Book) were alive today, would you agree with Him or would you seek to limit His voice to no higher standard than your own?

What a crazy hypothetical. But, ok, I'll play.

Show me. Let he and me talk then I'll make an assessment whether I agree or not.

As for a "higher standard" than my own, I have no idea what that means.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 41 of 67 (861714)
08-25-2019 5:09 PM
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Re: The Media In General Is More Corporate Profit than News
From Wikipedia:
quote:
A 2016 study which sought to measure incendiary discourse on talk radio and TV found that Levin scored highest on its measure of "outrage". The study looked at 10 prominent radio and television programs, known for incendiary discourse on political matters, and scored content on the basis of whether it used "emotional display", "misrepresentative exaggeration", "mockery", "conflagration", "slippery slope", "insulting" or "obscene language" and other factors, finding that Levin was the radio host who engaged in the most outrage. The study found that he utilized "outrage speech or behavior at a rate of more than one instance per minute."[5] In How Democracies Die, Harvard University political scientists Daniel Ziblatt and Steven Levitsky write that Mark Levin was among the popular right-wing talk radio hosts who "helped to legitimate the use of uncivil discourse" in American politics, and contribute to the erosion of democratic norms.[61]

...

According to The Guardian, "constant attacks on Democrats and the left are important components" of Levin's modus operandi.[62] ...


He's also outspokenly buys into several right-wingnut conspiracy theories.

The guy's an extreme right-wingnut. No wonder Faith loves him so much. Her own rhetoric here appears to be a toned-down version of Levin's.


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Message 42 of 67 (861716)
08-25-2019 5:26 PM
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08-25-2019 2:28 PM


Re: The Kochs & Soros
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All I know from what I have read so far is that the Koch Brothers contributed nothing to the Trump campaign, yet they are conservatives.

The Koch brothers, and Ron Paul, formed Freedom Works (or the predecessor group that split off) in the 1980's.

They are bitter enemies of Trump.

Very bitter.

Just google the comments exchanged.


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Message 43 of 67 (861734)
08-25-2019 9:12 PM
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08-25-2019 2:28 PM


Re: The Kochs & Soros
I disagree. They are not 'conservative versions of George Soros' because the motivation is pure greed and power on the part of the Koch brothers, while the intent of George Soros seems more altruistic.

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Message 44 of 67 (861735)
08-25-2019 9:35 PM
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08-25-2019 9:12 PM


Re: The Kochs & Soros
Also, Soros has been pretty open about his goals and involvement.

The Kochs and their allies setup foundations and dummy organizations to hide their involvement; a lot work by journalists to unravel all the threads leading to the Kochtopus.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 45 of 67 (861736)
08-25-2019 10:03 PM
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08-25-2019 9:35 PM


Re: The Kochs & Soros
As one of my signature lines states.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to ***?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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