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Phat
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Message 17 of 105 (862016)
08-30-2019 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle
08-30-2019 4:00 PM


Re: It's the historical term for it
(Wright is)
Tangle writes:

He's a bloody Anglican bishop!

And this disqualifies him how? Many Bishops are better read than you or I. You people cant simply cling to science and hope in humanity and expect your kids to have a safe and sane future. You need to get out more.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 19 of 105 (862018)
08-30-2019 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Theodoric
08-30-2019 4:01 PM


Re: It's the historical term for it
Theo writes:

Any mention about a jesus character is disputable at best.

It always has been. Even if Jesus was but a myth, the impact of the fictional character would still challenge modern secularist thinking. You may find my new topic interesting.
The Dark Mountain Project

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 23 of 105 (862022)
08-30-2019 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Theodoric
08-30-2019 4:14 PM


Re: It's the historical term for it
Interesting. Food for thought. So are you telling me that the Dark Mountain project is basic apologetics in disguise? I didn't examine it thoroughly enough---I assumed it was secular authors. Which brings up a question. Should we ignore any and all apologetics? If so, why? What makes me trust your boy Richard Carrier and the mythicists any better? I will grant that I need belief to be real. For me, it is real. But I also would feel more comfortable if I could have evidence that not just everyone except the apologists was sane and honest. Care to show me some proof or a bit more rational thinking?

as a further example, you once railed against Ravi Zacharias for some incident that happened in his life and poisoned everything he stood for, which I feel was unfair. I detected a bias against apologetics in general from your overall tone. I believe that he and RC Sproul were among the best Christian defenders and thinkers.

Add by Edit: I see you were referring to Wright and not The Dark Mountain Project. I thought I had lost it for a moment there.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 25 of 105 (862026)
08-30-2019 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Theodoric
08-30-2019 4:30 PM


Re: It's the historical term for it
The implication, however, is that Theologians are disqualified from speaking of secular definitions. I would argue that belief qualifies as a valid construct in human reasoning and rationality. Perhaps it shouldn't, strictly speaking (and in ode to the goddess of evidence) but it indeed does.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 103 of 105 (862620)
09-08-2019 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by AlexCaledin
09-08-2019 4:55 AM


Re: Did Jesus know He was going to be resurrected?
Alex, tell me a bit about your experience with faith and belief. Do you come from a family of believers? Do you attend a church? Do you examine different sides and points of view when reading these discussions? I'm just curious is all.

Recognize this?

Edited by Thugpreacha, : added architecture


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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