You want to have it both ways. You say He knew He was God and that He knew that He would be resurrected. Why then, would He pray to Himself to avoid crucifixion?
Because of the excruciating pain and suffering He would have to undergo as a human being.
We're just going around in circles now.
The Dead Sea Scrolls allowed scholars to understand the first century languages better than they had before is the point.
OK if so, but again the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament in the DSS were identical to ours, same Hebrew language, nothing new.
You say that you have received lots of teaching from the Jewish perspective but as you agreed earlier you won't read anything that disagrees with the position you have already taken.
I've read enough to understand that Wright is at least teetering on the verge of heresy if not totally heretical, so for me it's a waste of time.
You say I'm wrong that there isn't a whole other legitimate stream of scholarship than the traditional, but there just isn't. What names would you list? Oh well, don't, I think I've done this thread for now, we aren't going to get anywhere beyond where we are.
People are saved because they have been given a job to do. Try thinking about the story of the Good Samaritan. A Samaritan was somebody that the Jews looked down for their different religious beliefs. However in the parable Jesus has the Jews walking by the one who needed help and the Samaritan was the one who provided it. It was the Jews that supposedly had Yahweh on their side but it was the Samaritan that had the heart to do the loving thing. Who then had the Holy Spirit.
Nobody had the Holy Spirit before Pentecost, but he was a solid believer in the scriptures. Your view of salvation is so far from the traditional -- Wright? -- what can I say? Salvation is what MAKES us able to obey on the level God requires of us, salvation is primary, salvation is foundational, it begins the changes toward eternal life. As usual you have the idea we must earn our benefits, in this case salvation, by already doing good works. Salvation is a GIFT, and God chooses the recipients. Salvation MAKES us able to do good works. Again we're going around in circles, or I am.
No where did He claim that he would be resurrected. He did claim that God would raise Him up, which is not the same thing.
Oh yes it is GDR. He said He would be "raised up the third day," which is the resurrection, and all the other references I gave say the same thing. The "sign of Jonah" is the promise of resurrection too.
We can go back to Daniel 7 where the "Son of Man' is raised up or presented to the Ancient of Days. That is not the same thing as resurrection.
The term "raised up" is not used in that connection. It would refer to the Ascension rather than the resurrection anyway.
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