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ringo
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Message 67 of 80 (862686)
09-10-2019 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Phat
09-09-2019 3:15 PM


Re: Thread is for reporting answered prayers
Phat writes:
In this case, the critics I was referring to were other believers.
What you said was, "Critics will say that we believers would be reprobates without Him...whereas *they* would still do the right thing...." (Message 54). That seems to separate the critics from the believers.
Phat writes:
And there is no collective *we*.
There really is though. There's you and the apologists that you follow and the others who follow the same apologists. If you really did have your own ideas as to what's real, you wouldn't all be parroting the same party line.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 69 of 80 (862689)
09-10-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Phat
09-10-2019 12:09 PM


Re: Thread is for reporting answered prayers
Phat writes:
Unbelievers have a higher opinion of humanity-at-large because that is the future they believe in.
We have a higher opinion of humanity because we're not encumbered by that nonsense about a "Fall". We're free to believe we can do better. In fact, other religions also have a higher opinion of humanity than you evangelical Christians.
Phat writes:
This is what frustrates me to no end about jar. Though claiming to belong to a recognized Christian Church, he forever argues that humanity creates its own Gods....which makes a conversation with him regarding GOD rather difficult.
I know you'd rather quote apologists than actually think about the issues.
Phat writes:
Its all more Jewish than Episcopalian, in my mind...
A lot of people could stand to be more Jewish.
Phat writes:
Look at Spinoza, for example.
I notice that your quote is about Spinoza and not from Spinoza. Why not let Spinoza speak for himself?
Phat writes:
Atheists are getting ever more bold in using logic, reason, and reality to build an aggressive case against the rationality of belief.
Do you hear yourself? You're talking about logic, reason and reality as if it was a bad thing.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 72 of 80 (862697)
09-10-2019 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Phat
09-10-2019 1:14 PM


Re: It was meant to be by Faith alone
Phat writes:
The just shall live by faith...not evidence.
You're embellishing. Habakkuk does not rule out evidence.
And remember the story of Thomas. Jesus offered evidence to the other disciples and then to Thomas.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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