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Faith 
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Message 58 of 80 (862661)
09-09-2019 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by jar
09-09-2019 2:38 PM


Re: yet more examples of mistaking claims for evidence.
That's OK, God isn't interested in convincing people who don't recognize the evidence He's already given.

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Message 64 of 80 (862682)
09-10-2019 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Tanypteryx
09-09-2019 5:54 PM


Re: yet more examples of mistaking claims for evidence.
You would think an all powerful god would provide evidence that could not be mistaken for anything else. Everyone is left guessing what this god wants.
I don't know who this "everyone" is who is "left guessing." The Bible really doesn't leave us in the dark at all, but if you want to know the answer to questions about Him you have to BELIEVE what it says. That's "what He wants" and He's very clear about that. You all are looking into your own minds and into worldly assumptions to find the answer to questions you can't find that way. I mean you, Stile, jar and others on this thread.

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Message 76 of 80 (862720)
09-11-2019 11:27 AM


another example from "Forensic Files"
Woman convicted of killing her mother prays for her innocence to be proved. It took some really fancy forensic work to overturn the bad forensics that had convicted her, but it was overturned in less than a year. The fancy forensics involved the discovery that her car make was known to catch fire from a faulty ignition design, and that melted plastic acts as an accelerant to fire.
There is no way to prove this is answered prayer. I think the example I gave in the OP where the answer met some particular conditions asked in the prayer was proved (she encountered the murderer and was instrumental in solving the case), but most prayers are like this one that is too easily dismissed as coincidence. But this is the most common kind of answer to prayer and if you are someone who prays you know it is God's answer. Proving it to someone else may be impossible.
Just as a side note it's interesting that this series "Forensic Files" includes such examples of people who were wrongfully convicted of a crime through bad forensic science. They protest their innocence of course which often only increases the suspicion against them. Getting anyone to take them seriously is the first big hurdle and then all the tests have to be done again and new kinds of tests added. So I could argue that this case I describe above shows answered prayer just because of the speed with which she got what she prayed for.
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Message 79 of 80 (862724)
09-11-2019 12:42 PM
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09-11-2019 12:32 PM


Re: It was meant to be by Faith alone
The context of that quote is how we get saved -- i.e. become righteous, are justified -- this became the pivotal reference for Luther who had been struggling to earn his salvation by good works and then learned through this Biblical teaching that God had done it for him and he had only to receive it by faith.

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