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Message 6 of 94 (863340)
09-24-2019 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by GDR
09-18-2019 4:12 PM


Christian
Hi GDR,

GDR writes:

I think that virtually all Christians consider themselves to be Biblical. I know that I certainly do.

GDR I don't know what your definition of a Christian is, maybe you could enlighten me.

I will be 80 years old Thursday at 4:30 pm. I became a child of God by being born again August 19, 1949. At no point in that 70 years do I claim to be a Christian according to my definition of a Christian.

The word Christian is used 2 times in the Bible. Once by king Agrippa in Acts 26:28 to Paul. The other time by Peter in 1Peter 4:16 about a person suffering as a Christian.

The word Christians was used one time in Acts 11:26 by the residents of Antioch calling the disciples Christians because they were living a life like Christ.

I am far from living a life like Christ He was perfect and I am imperfect. I have two commandments to keep. First I am to love God above all else with all my mind, spirit, and body. Second I am to love everybody as much as I love myself. Try as I may I can not do either as much as I should. I have a spirit that is perfect as the Holy Spirit has sealed it until the day of redemption. But I still live in the same body I was born with and it has a sin nature. My mind is not as bad as it used to be because I am able to work on it by putting the correct information in it.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 17 of 94 (863439)
09-25-2019 10:47 PM
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09-25-2019 11:59 AM


Re: Christian
Hi GDR

GDR writes:

I suppose if someone wants to sincerely call themselves a Christian then who am I to say they aren't.

I quit asking people a long time ago if they were a Christian. I was told too many times, "yes, I am a Christian I was born in America.

That just don't pass muster.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 18 of 94 (863440)
09-25-2019 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
09-25-2019 3:07 PM


Re: Barker on the Matter of Honesty
Hi ringo

ringo writes:

Believing the evidence away is not kosher.

What is the difference in that and believing there is evidence where there is none, only assumptions.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 19 of 94 (863441)
09-26-2019 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by GDR
09-25-2019 5:12 PM


Re: Christian
Hi GDR

GDR writes:

IMHO that phrase "born again" is often badly misused. It seems to be so often used to relate to a specific time that someone gives ascent to some form of Christian doctrine. The term "born again" occurs in 2 books of the Bible. It is used in reply to Nicodemus in John 3 and again in ! Peter 1 where it agrees that they have been born again as their hearts have been changed to hearts that reflect God's love into the world. No where does it say that it is about accepting any particular doctrine.

Doctrine comes after you are God's child and have got off the milk of the Word and reached the point you can chew on the meat of the Word.

quote:
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Jesus told Nicodemus that a man had to be born again to just see the kingdom of heaven. If you could not see the kingdom of heaven then you could not enter into it.

Now lets look at what that birth is.

Jesus explained that a man had to have two births to see the kingdom of heaven.
The first birth is where mom conceives and carries a child until birth. That birth being a water birth as the child is carried in an amniotic sac filled with the child and amniotic fluid.
When this sac breaks and dispels the fluid birth take place pretty soon. So Jesus was referring to a natural birth as the first birth.

So the second birth is a spiritual birth. Literally a birth from above when the Holy Spirit comes in and seals a persons spirit until the day of redemption.

I am going to explain how that happens by telling you what happened to me. We were having a revival in the church I attended and were in the third week of revival which would be the last week as school would be starting soon.

On August 19, 1949 I was in services and actually heard what the preacher said for a change. (A nine year and 11 month old boy was usually not paying much attention) But this night I was and when the invitation was given I wanted to be saved and have that eternal life the preacher talked about but I went home lost. I ate a snack and went to bed and fell asleep. But sometime during the night, I don't know when as there was no clock in the room. But laying in the bed and thinking of the scriptures and message the preacher had preached I knew I needed to be saved. He had preached from John 3:16, 17, and 18. Verse 18 is the one that was keeping me awake.

quote:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The preacher had explained that all I had to do to be saved and have eternal life was to believe Jesus would give me eternal life, just by asking and trusting totally in Him to do what He said He would do. I trusted Jesus and received a full pardon for my sins and the Holy Spirit to seal my spirit. Thus I was born again of the spirit of God to walk in a newness of life. So no I have only been born again and saved one time.

GDR writes:

At age 80 here's hoping you've been born again, and again, and again.....

I have had one physical birth and one spiritual birth. Physical birth September 26, 1939 at 4:30 pm. Spiritual birth August 19, 1949 hour unknown.

Everyone here has had a physical birth.
I am hoping you and others here have had a spiritual second birth.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 21 of 94 (863443)
09-26-2019 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by GDR
09-25-2019 6:29 PM


Re: Christian
Hi GDR

GDR writes:

I don't disagree with that but it isn't something that is confined to a specific time or place. It is a response that gradually begins to respond to that still small voice that calls us to do the loving thing even though there is personal cost to it. Ideally over time the response continues to grow until it becomes normal to us

You are not describing someone being born again.

You are describing a person that decides to serve the Lord and sets out on a journey of doing good deeds in order to gain favor with God. Then after that journey has lasted a long time the person has convinced himself/herself that they have arrived and deserve to be in heaven and is now saved.

That is getting the cart before the horse. You have to be born again before you can do one good deed that God even sees. The verse I quoted in the previous message John 3:18 tells you that you are condemned already and you did not have to do anything to be condemned. All you had to do was to be born into the world with a natural birth and you were already condemned. People don't get to choose whether they go to hell or heaven. If a person does not choose to be born again they will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
But no one has to go there as they can choose to go to heaven instead.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 33 of 94 (863521)
09-27-2019 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by GDR
09-26-2019 2:50 AM


Re: Christian
Hi GDR

GDR writes:

Matthew or the Kingdom of God in the other Gospels

There is going to be an earthly kingdom on earth with Jesus ruling the earth from Jerusalem. The judgment of the nations jar likes to refer too of sheep and goat nations will be the choosing of the sheep nations to inhabit the earth during a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth with His Bride ruling with Him. The Apostles will set on thrones with Him ruling over the Jewish people. During this time the devil will have been chained in the bottomless pit after he is cast out of heaven and fights a war with Michael the archangel and is defeated.

So get your theology straight.

GDR writes:

The point about being born again is that it is about having a heart that learns to love sacrificially,

The only function the heart has is to pump blood through a system that provides energy, oxygen, and removes the waste from the cells.

The spirit is what has to be born again. Go back and read what John said in the text.

Your mind is the only thing that makes decisions. That is the battleground where the warfare takes place. The body still wants to do all the old things. The spirit wants you to do new things. Thus the body and spirit is at war. Your mind is like a computer you put garbage in you will get garbage out. You have to get rules to live by from somewhere. God gives us those rules. But most people want to make up their own rules. Therein lies the problem.

GDR writes:

This again is more about Greek mythology than anything else.

So you are saying Jesus was teaching Greek mythology when He told Nicodemus he had to be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 34 of 94 (863526)
09-27-2019 2:51 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
09-26-2019 11:36 AM


Re: Barker on the Matter of Honesty
Hi ringo

ringo writes:

Assumptions are based on evidence.

What evidence is the assumption that the universe existed one trillionth of a second before the Big Bang Theory begins its story of how the universe began expanding.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 37 of 94 (863556)
09-27-2019 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by AZPaul3
09-27-2019 9:30 AM


Re: Barker on the Matter of Honesty
Hi AZ

AZPaul3 writes:

General Relativity, specifically The Friedmann equations.

I will address this in a few days in another thread as I want to check my information before I go to print with my book.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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