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AZPaul3
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Message 106 of 853 (865936)
11-02-2019 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Phat
11-02-2019 4:14 PM


Re: Becoming My Own Apologist
It is a story of a people who actually had a god (God) reveal Himself to them.

You almost had it right to begin with then went and ruined it with the above.

the Bible is not simply some storybook of a compilation of goatherder stories describing the various ideas about a god whom they believed in.

Now it's correct.


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AZPaul3
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Message 148 of 853 (866061)
11-04-2019 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Tangle
11-04-2019 5:45 PM


Re: Bart Campolo
So you think that where you're born doesn't determine what you believe?

Of course!

He reaches out, no matter where in the world you may live. He doesn’t wait for you to explore your heart. He doesn’t call waiting for you to answer. He chooses you.

He reaches out with his noodley appendage and throttles His chosen ones’ minds adding both enlightenment and a spicy marinara.

In praise of His Noodleyness, The Flying Spaghetti Monster (May Parmesan be upon Him),

R’Amen.

I guess you've given up on the snake.

The squiggly snake was but a manifestation of The Most Ancient of Noodles.

He had throttled the brains of Eve infusing her mind with His Holy Enlightenment and a ladle of savory Marinara. She then did reject the lies of the usurper and she then knew the creator of man and midget, the giver of pasta, the simmerer of sauce, from age to holy age.


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AZPaul3
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Message 155 of 853 (866073)
11-05-2019 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
11-05-2019 6:28 AM


Re: The whole world likes noodles
I'm sure your cult would concentrate on conversions to itself. It makes you seem right. But you never mention how many millions of your former christians have turned to Pastafarianism. And how many from all the other sects and cults around the world have embraced The FSM (May Parmesan Be Upon Him)?

Boatloads. Absolute boatloads. Actually, pirate ship loads. Lots and lots of pirate ship loads.

And who can blame them?

Gone is the threat of heaven and the boring eternity of constant genuflecting to a ghost. Gone is the threat of hell and the lake of fire.

In their places are the blessings of His Noodleyness for all to share for all time yet to come. Unlimited pastas of dozens of varieties with sauces in ladles big and small of hundreds of sublime flavors potent, pungent, sweet and savory. A beer volcano with many spouting rifts of ales and lagers and all manor of individual and hybrid styles within the realm of every category of beer ever conceived by the most artisan brew masters. Even soft drinks and wines. And the Stripper Factory. Pole dancing, table dancing, lap dancing, male, female, both, neither. All this for the eternal pleasures of all the dead former human beings, believers or not. All will partake of His bounty and His Holy Communal Table.

Did I mention the comfy couches and the three-day weekends?

Our pasta, who art in colander, draining be thy noodles.
Thy pasta done, Thy sauce be yum, topped off with grated Parmesan.
Give us this day our garlic bread and strippers on our tables for entertainment.
Forgive us our burpings, as we forgive those who beer belch around us.
And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some meat sauce.
For thine is the pasta, the meatball, the onion, and the bay leaf, forever and ever. R'Amen.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 161 of 853 (866087)
11-05-2019 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Faith
11-05-2019 9:45 AM


Re: The whole world likes noodles
All religions are cults. That is the very definition of the word.

Even in the vernacular you are trying to use, a religion is but a cult that thinks too highly of themselves.


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AZPaul3
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Message 162 of 853 (866088)
11-05-2019 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Theodoric
11-05-2019 10:08 AM


Re: The whole world likes noodles
I am also an ordained minister in the Church of the Latter Day Dude. Yes I am a Dudeist Priest.

That, Sir, is heresy!

Fortunately, in FSM (May Pesto Be Upon Him) Pastafarianism such heresies are accepted, even encouraged.

Welcome Brother, Fellow of the Order of the Colander.

May His Noodley Appendage throttle your mind.


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AZPaul3
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Message 166 of 853 (866145)
11-06-2019 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
11-06-2019 10:25 AM


Re: The RCC saves nobody
We are saved by Christ's sacrifice ALONE through grace ALONE and no works at all "lest any man should boast."

Not my conversation but I just have to comment.

Works, no works, makes no difference. No one's going to heaven. No one's going to hell. We're all going back to that great energy well called Earth scattered amongst its ecosystems and environments to be recycled yet again. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust.


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AZPaul3
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Message 168 of 853 (866155)
11-06-2019 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
11-06-2019 11:30 AM


Re: The RCC saves nobody
Thermodynamics, especially entropy, is the law. It will not be violated no matter how hard you close your eyes, click your heels, and wish.

We know from where your fantasies come. Within a religionist's head, external and objective are synonyms for emotional and wishful thinking. Heavy on the hypocrisy.


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AZPaul3
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Message 170 of 853 (866158)
11-06-2019 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
11-06-2019 12:02 PM


Re: The RCC saves nobody
Thermodynamics works because of the universe. Your talking snake has nothing to say on this.

External and objedtive refers to the revelation which is outside me and had to be learned because my own nature could never intuit it.

Ahh, yes. Emotion and wishful thinking. The religionist's external objectivity. No wonder you people lost the war for influence in this society.


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Message 273 of 853 (866932)
11-17-2019 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by ringo
11-17-2019 1:37 PM


Re: Have you no sense of decency?
I'm certainly not a pansy. I'm more a Purple Dawn Camellia.

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AZPaul3
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Message 290 of 853 (867010)
11-19-2019 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by Phat
11-19-2019 3:17 AM


Re: stop posting meaningless feel good advertising
its virtually a consensus within Christianity that the snake lied.

That is the whole point of ringo’s argument. The vast majority consensus of Christian beliefs are formed not by what’s in the bible but by what the self-serving priests have interpreted.

According to the story itself, the actual script as published, your majority consensus Christian belief that the snake lied is false. This glaring disconnect between what you choose to believe and the actual book will not be swept away no matter how insistent you become. The snake stuff is not going away.


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AZPaul3
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Message 302 of 853 (867033)
11-19-2019 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by Faith
11-19-2019 11:08 AM


Re: stop posting meaningless feel good advertising
All you atheists plus some of those misguided wannabe "Christians" really need to do is give just a teensy weensy bit of benefit of the doubt to two thousand years of thousands of biblical exegetes and millions of Bible-reading believers, just a teensy weensy bit of … sheer logic or even …. just plain humanity... to understand that your first kneejerk take on the Bible has to be wrong and those thousands of years of SERIOUS CHRISTIANS aren't that stupid and aren't liars trying to hold the masses captive.

No. No we don't.


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AZPaul3
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Message 306 of 853 (867044)
11-19-2019 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Faith
11-19-2019 12:06 PM


Re: stop posting meaningless feel good advertising
True, you don't if you don't mind being stupid and illogical and without a shred of grace toward the rest of the human race..

I'm allowed to be stupid and illogical. It is my right just as you are one of its greatest practitioner.

But as for grace toward the rest of the human race you christians destroyed that millennia ago when you abandoned the teachings of your prophet.


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AZPaul3
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Message 308 of 853 (867047)
11-19-2019 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by Faith
11-19-2019 12:44 PM


Re: the Supernatural Consistency of Scripture
I think he's punishing me for my political views and not for insulting people, and AZP seems to be saying he agrees with me about that.

Not quite right. I'm not so sure this is political on Percy's part. It seems it's a bit history and intransigence on both your parts.

For all that intellect you can be intractably crazy stubborn. Percy is patient in trying to control you but I think he has let your history cause an overreaction.

But then psychology is not my strong suit. I seem to have this emotional aversion to asterisks.

This is not the right thread. I stop. Please stop.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 329 of 853 (867161)
11-21-2019 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by Phat
11-20-2019 3:46 PM


Re: the inventedl Consistency of Scripture
You either have it or you don't. And it's not my problem or responsibility to teach you how to get it.

So this “great commission” is what? Just Christians trying to rub it in?

“I’m saved and you’re not. Na-na na-na na na!”

It is a matter of belief over evidence ...

Precisely the reason to chuck the whole thing into the waste bin.


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AZPaul3
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Message 486 of 853 (868404)
12-11-2019 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 485 by Tangle
12-11-2019 5:01 PM


Re: Dr.Ron Rhodes
You know that usually doesn't work.

Reality is habit forming. Once you go red you never go back.


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