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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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jar writes:
That's pretty much how I would define a mind-control cult. Fundamental Christianity in the US is based on the utter avoidance of anything that might question the dogma."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It would if he was real.
... I think that their method will never allow God to become real to them. Phat writes:
*shrug* I have no problem with the idea of knowing God. I could know God as easily as I could know Long John Silver or James Bond. None of them would be easy to relate to but I know plenty of real people who aren't easy to relate to. For me personally, I never even could conceive of knowing God before I was saved. Edited by ringo, : SpellIng."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
We used to have a student pastor who was one of the best human beings I have ever met. Two anecdotes about him: I do not give a damn who believes or doesn't believe it. 1. On a work day at the church, he accidentally hit his thumb with a hammer. Instead of yelling @#$% like most of us would do, he yelled out, "Praise the Lord!" 2. In a sermon, he was getting worked up and he said, "There are people out there who are going to Hell and most of you don't give a damn!" He paused for a few seconds and then added, "And most of you are more upset that I said 'damn' than you are about those people going to Hell." It's no surprise that you don't give a damn about your fellow humans. Thats where your perverted beliefs tend to lead. Edited by ringo, : Spulling."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
The road to Hell is paved with motivation. I believe that judgement is about the heart, or the motivation for our behaviour."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It's a continuum. And you're backsliding into conservatism. I see a basic split between liberal Christianity and Conservative Christianity."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Well, the aphorism doesn't add a lot of qualifications to nullify its meaning. ringo writes:
Sure if your motivation is self serving even at the expense of others. The road to Hell is paved with motivation."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Who are you trying to kid? There won't be any conservatives there.
Well, He might let you liberals in just to test (and piss off) some of the conservatives... Phat writes:
That promise is completely worthless. ... but I promise you He won't let Satan and the demons chill in there."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Still waiting for you to defend the apologist fantasies. You then attack the majority of Christianity and Christian thought and belief, labeling them as charlatans, hucksters, and weavers of fantasy."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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Edited by ringo, : No reason given."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The Christianity that you were taught is not from the Bible, as you have been shown oh so many times. It seems to me that you have your own ideas of what God should be like and, like jar, shun the Christianity I was taught. It is you who don't understand the Bible."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
What you call the "TRUE" meaning of the Bible is a lie. It is clear what the Bible actually says.
Thugs has not said anything that contradicts the TRVE meaning of the Byble... Faith writes:
The context of Genesis is not Romans. ...your lltrrallst context-blind revisionism does."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No more than Treasure Island is the context of The Grapes of Wrath. If you claim it is, you have to back up that claim.
Oh yes indeed the context of Geneis IS Romans and Genesis is the context of Romans in turn. Faith writes:
I put the text ahead of your claims. I make no claims except what the text actually says. But really the worst thing you all do is put yourself about two thousand years of honest Byble exegetes. And we all know that your claims about two thousand years of lockstep agreement by all scholars is nonsense. Edited by ringo, : SpellIng."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What has that got to do with reading what the book says?
You don't even believe that the character exists outside of the book. Phat writes:
The text does say what it says. I don't need to "prove" that. It's a tautology.
So who really cares if you can prove that the text says what it says... Phat writes:
So back up that accusation. All you've done is run away. If you're going to call me a liar, show us how I'm lying.
... and your claim that it means what it says, which is a lie. Phat writes:
It isn't "the book I use". It's the book you use.
Why should the book you use be anything special to me? Phat writes:
Then why don't you just throw the book away? Why do you pay any attention to apologists who try to reconcile the book with the character in your head?
It is the character in the book that lives now and lived before the book was even written whom I listen to. Phat writes:
I agree that the Christianity dilutes the secular humanism, so let's get rid of the Christianity entirely. ... what you all are peddling is watered down Christian secular humanism."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It isn't though. That's why there are so many denominations.
... it's overall consensus over the centuries. Faith writes:
Those who "have the Holy Spirit" display the fruits of the Spirit: If the reader has the Holy Spirit he'll understand the text the way others who have the Holy Spirit understand the text.quote:not hate, anger, hammering the Caps Lock key, etc. (By the way, "longsuffering" means patience, not complaining long and loud about how much one is suffering.)"If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It always suits me. But we know all to well that use use scripture when it suits you and throw it away when it doesn't suit you.
And ringo has always demanded Chapter & Verse when it suits him. Phat writes:
Quoting the text isn't "explaining anything away". Using out-of-context quotes - like you and Faith do - to change what the text says is explaining it away. But ringo will likely explain it away if it doesn't support his argument."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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