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Theodoric
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Message 262 of 853 (866913)
11-17-2019 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Faith
11-17-2019 11:07 AM


Re: Have you no sense of decency?
So insulting someone's manhood is ok to you, as long as it isn't overtly homophobic?
I know you do understand the basis of insulting people sexuality, you just like playing stupid. There is no place for these slurs in this forum or polite society. They do not even belong on the middle school playground where you are most likely to hear them.
As I said before, no decency at all.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 266 of 853 (866918)
11-17-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by PaulK
11-17-2019 11:54 AM


Re: "almah"
It is times like this I miss commentary from arachnophilia
Faith still would not listen, but the rest of us would be wiser for his expertise.

Not downplaying your arguments and knowledge, but arach was a true expert on the subject.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 321 of 853 (867118)
11-20-2019 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by Phat
11-20-2019 3:43 PM


Re: the inventedl Consistency of Scripture
Who decides who has this ghost thing you speak of?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 328 of 853 (867135)
11-20-2019 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 327 by Phat
11-20-2019 5:23 PM


Re: the inventedl Consistency of Scripture
This is in the faith forum. Preach away.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 330 of 853 (867167)
11-21-2019 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 327 by Phat
11-20-2019 5:23 PM


Re: the inventedl Consistency of Scripture
So you have no answer? These words you strung together do not answer the question.

Me writes:

Who decides who has this ghost thing you speak of?

You clearly stated that some people have this spirit and some do not. You make it clear that some people that think they do have the spirit do not.
Again I ask, who decides who has the spirit? You state you know you do, but seemingly do not believe others that say they do. Why is your personal subjective belief more "real" than theirs? Can you tell by their actions? If so, do not your "unchristian" acts exclude you from having this spirit thing?
So far you have not answered. All you have done is string words together.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 361 of 853 (867353)
11-23-2019 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 356 by Phat
11-23-2019 1:57 PM


Re: Trying To Explain To jar once again...
You don't enter heaven smoking cigarettes, doing recreational drugs, perusing Penthouse, and/or polishing your 57 chevy and other household idols.

How do you know this? I have read you bible many times, where does it say this?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 362 of 853 (867354)
11-23-2019 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 359 by Phat
11-23-2019 6:28 PM


Re: Trying To Explain To jar once again...
Answer the question. Do you think misrepresenting what your bible says makes you a better person?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 368 of 853 (867360)
11-23-2019 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Phat
11-23-2019 9:18 PM


Re: Trying To Explain To jar once again...
Nothing here has anything to do with cigarettes, drugs, penthouse, or chevys, or adopted children for that matter. When you can support your preaching with actual words in your bible I might consider at least listening.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 406 of 853 (867449)
11-25-2019 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 390 by Phat
11-24-2019 3:37 PM


Re: Trying To Explain To jar once again...
Phat writes:

So who really cares if you can prove that the text says what it says, which you can, and your claim that it means what it says, which is a ***.


Let's all take a moment and ponder this line from Phat.
Wow!
What his bible actually says doesn't matter. What matters is what he and the fundies want it to mean.
Case closed.
Here is an admission from Phat that he and christian apologists fail the test.
Since he admits that they can not pass the test, might be time to stick a fork in this thread and call it done.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 408 of 853 (867452)
11-25-2019 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 403 by Phat
11-25-2019 11:25 AM


Re: Trying To Explain To jar once again...
I bet we feed more people than your local salvation army or red cross does.

It burns.
First of all would you like to provide some evidence for this claim? I thought not.
The thing that burns is that I guess you do not realize that the salvation army is a very fundie christian organization.

quote:
The Salvation Army (TSA) is a Protestant Christian church and an international charitable organisation. The organisation reports a worldwide membership of over 1.7 million,[3] consisting of soldiers, officers and adherents collectively known as Salvationists. Its founders sought to bring salvation to the poor, destitute, and hungry by meeting both their "physical and spiritual needs". It is present in 131 countries,[4] running charity shops, operating shelters for the homeless and disaster relief and humanitarian aid to developing countries.
The theology of the Salvation Army is derived from that of Methodism, although it is distinctive in institution and practice. A peculiarity of the Army is that it gives its clergy titles of military ranks, such as "lieutenant" or "major". It does not celebrate the rites of Baptism and Holy Communion. However, the Army's doctrine is otherwise typical of holiness churches in the Wesleyan-Arminian tradition. The Army's purposes are "the advancement of the Christian religion ... of education, the relief of poverty, and other charitable objects beneficial to society or the community of mankind as a whole".[5]

The Salvation Army - Wikipedia

Also, I would think that the Red Cross having a cross as it's symbol would give away the fact of it's christian origins. Or does the fact there is a Red Crescent destroy any good will?

International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement - Wikipedia


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 410 of 853 (867459)
11-25-2019 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 409 by Phat
11-25-2019 12:31 PM


Re: Trying To Explain To jar once again...
You thought wrong.
My friend volunteers for David CliftonMinistries, which has a food bank and he runs the soup kitchen and assists the Pastor. According to him, they feed an average of 75-100 people per day except when the weather is bad when they can feed 200.

Oh I see. I missed your caveat. You have reduced all good every organization does to just feeding. So all the services provided by the Red Cross do not count.
How many people does UNICEF feed per day or the UNHCR?

All Im trying to say is that the local church helps as many people as do the secular organizations,

No that is not what you said.
What do you care who feeds the needy as long as they get fed?

I don't, but you seem to.
Didn't you spout this?
Phat writes:

I bet we feed more people than your local salvation army or red cross does.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 414 of 853 (867475)
11-25-2019 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by Phat
11-25-2019 2:50 PM


Re: Wrestling With ringos socialist agendas. .
Do you even know what socialism is? It always amazes me that avowed christians attack socialism and embrace authoritarian and/or corporate rule.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 418 of 853 (867484)
11-25-2019 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 415 by Phat
11-25-2019 5:31 PM


Re: Wrestling With ringos socialist agendas. .
Wrong. Maybe you should actually read about what it is before you say stupid shit. Just an idea.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 421 of 853 (867492)
11-26-2019 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 419 by Phat
11-26-2019 5:12 AM


Phat needs to actual learn about things before he talks about them
Weird that your response contained nothing about socialism. Just weir end of times references.
How about you quit making references to and condemning socialism into you understand what it is. Also, there are no major politicians advocating that the US become a socialist state.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
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Message 428 of 853 (867888)
12-04-2019 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Phat
12-04-2019 3:18 PM


Re: Wrestling With ringos socialist agendas. .
You seem to still have no grasp of the concept of socialism or democratic socialism. Are the same people feeding you your religious crap the ones feeding your utter lack of knowledge of socialism?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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