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Theodoric
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Message 432 of 1086 (867902)
12-04-2019 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by Phat
12-04-2019 3:43 PM


You should learn what socialism is before you talk about it
Then quit claiming that socialism has something to do with giving all your stuff to the government.
You are conflating two issues
No I am not. I am pointing out your continual misrepresentation of socialism. You do it repeatedly and knowingly.
but I can google with the best of them
Obviously either you can not or you are too damn lazy. Because you either have not or don't understand what you read.
The US middle class is shrinking precisely because the rest of the world is now interconnected and we were wealthier relative to them so now we are losing more percentage-wise as they escape poverty.
No. We are losing out because the billionaire class is hoarding all the money. 1000 dollars would change the life of most people in third world countries, dont you agree? If you gave 45 million people 1000 dollars of Bill Gates money. He would still have over 45 billion left. Tell me again how the poor people getting a better life is causing you economic pain.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 437 of 1086 (867991)
12-05-2019 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 433 by Phat
12-05-2019 2:30 PM


Re: You should learn what socialism is before you talk about it
Which has nothing to with third worlds people getting better lives fucks up yours does it?
Third worlders and you can have better lives. It is the billionaires at fault not poor people.
You still have no concept of what socialism is or what socialist policies are.
You still haven't shown how poor people getting a better life make's yours worse. Your whole response was a jumble of words and no coherent idea or argument.
I don't give a rat's ass about what ringo said.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 474 of 1086 (868361)
12-11-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 472 by Phat
12-10-2019 11:03 PM


Re: Dr.Ron Rhodes
Another bare link?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 477 of 1086 (868366)
12-11-2019 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 476 by Phat
12-11-2019 9:27 AM


Bare links
I expect admins to follow forum rules. I also expect to be called out when I do not follow forum rules.
quote:
5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
I am not going to listen to his pod cast. If you want to post a link describe what he has to say.
He has nothing new to teach.
No shit.
I bet you go to restaurants and grumble about the service!
You know nothing about me. I find most restaurants I go to have very good service. If service is bad it is usually caused by something outside of the control of the server. Rarely, is the server at fault. Quite pretending you know anything about me.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 483 of 1086 (868394)
12-11-2019 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by Phat
12-11-2019 4:07 PM


Re: Dr.Ron Rhodes
You are no longer believers.
I never really was. As a child I believed as a child believes, but as I became older I stopped believing in fantasy and the supernatural. As a rational human being I have never had a belief in a god like yours or any god or anything supernatural.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 499 of 1086 (868487)
12-13-2019 8:23 AM


Kind of says it all
phat writes:
I honestly don't think this will turn out well for any of us.
For us that have no belief, everything will turn out fine. It is you believers that spend all your time worrying about things your beliefs tell you that you have no control over. Sounds like you are the one with the issue.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

  
Theodoric
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Message 517 of 1086 (868645)
12-15-2019 8:46 PM
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12-15-2019 4:15 PM


Re: Testing Whom? Testing What?
Sure sounds like you want us nonbelievers to be punished. Do you think believers should be able to punish nonbelievers?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 611 of 1086 (869100)
12-23-2019 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 609 by Phat
12-21-2019 4:52 PM


Re: It's all about what you claim God did.
Abdu Murray? Really? A Ravi Zacharias acolyte? Really? I have repeatedly shown that that Ravi Zacharias is a known and admitted liar, cheat and scoundrel. Why should I not assume that those associated with him are not the same?
I find it very interesting that Abdu Murray claims to be an ex-Muslim but there is absolutely no information showing he was actually raised a muslim or was at any time a devout muslim. He has no education or training in religion. He is a commercial real estate lawyer. Maybe you can find some actual info on this guy that shows he is what he claims.
To refresh your memory on Ravi, here are actually verifiable facts showing that he is a liar, a cheat and a scoundrel.
RaviWatch - Investigating the false claims of evangelist Ravi Zacharias

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 615 of 1086 (869224)
12-26-2019 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 609 by Phat
12-21-2019 4:52 PM


Re: It's all about what you claim God did.
So you cannot provide any reasoning of why we should consider anything that Abdu Murray has to say is for some reason notable.
I very well may have read the bible as many times as he has. I would really like to know more about his muslim background.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 618 of 1086 (869232)
12-26-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 617 by Phat
12-26-2019 12:05 PM


Re: Theodorics Donnybrook Against RZIM
Richard Carrier is not my guy. I would never use him as any sort of moral example. Evidence shows Ravi is a liar, a cheat and a scoundrel. I have presented the evidence. The claims made on RaviWatch are verifiable and in fact there is a page called detailed documentation. Are you lying for Jesus?
I am quite impressed by the fact that you present no information that supports Abdu Murray. I am starting to feel confident he is just another Christian grifter and shyster.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 621 of 1086 (869239)
12-26-2019 5:55 PM
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12-26-2019 4:33 PM


Re: Theodorics Donnybrook Against RZIM
That biography says nothing. Where is he from? What mosque did he attend? What is his actual knowledge of islam? Not sure what a "proud moslem" is.
I have 40 years experience investigating "into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views". So am I an expert? Seemingly he has no academic training on the subject. His BA and Juris Doctor are irrelevant to the conversation.
Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a prominent academic institution and the Josh McDowell institute is not as much an academic institution as a trainng ground for proselytizing.
but why are you not as skeptical of the mythicists or the atheist activists?
Why would you make such an accusation? There are many mythicists I am very skeptical of.
Joseph Atwill
Acharya S.
Kenneth Humphreys
Are all mythicists I have extreme skepticism toward. These are just a couple that make poor arguments. The mythicists I agree with use facts and data. Something christian apologists do not ever seem to use.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 622 of 1086 (869269)
12-27-2019 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 617 by Phat
12-26-2019 12:05 PM


Thugs defense of Ravi
As to your claim that the Raviwatch website provide no evidence for its claims against Ravi, here is the page documenting all of the evidence.
RaviWatch - Detailed Documentation
Yes Ravi Zacharias is a scoundrel. Are you incapable of reading actual evidence showing what a liar Ravi is?
At worst, he made the mistake of using an honorary doctorate as an actual one. The incident involving the woman looks to be more of an attempt to exploit him.
Are you truly that blind? Is it ignorance? Sexting a woman other than your wife will leave you open to exploitation. Funny how he dropped his lawsuit and settled with the couple.
RaviWatch - Detailed Documentation
If you actually read this page and follow all of the links you will see actual documentation for his multitude of lies and deceits.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 630 of 1086 (869318)
12-28-2019 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 625 by Faith
12-28-2019 10:14 AM


Re: Examining The Evidence
He admitted he lied and he has not admitted to other known lies.
He sexted a married woman than tried to guilt her into silence by claiming he would kill himself. The texts are out in public.
He is a liar, a cheat and a scoundrel.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 632 of 1086 (869322)
12-28-2019 11:44 AM
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12-28-2019 9:57 AM


Re: Examining The Evidence
I do not find any evidence that his associates at RZIM are dishonest or misleading.
Their willingness to be so closely associated with a known and admitted cheat, liar and scoundrel should be quite telling.
Also, the fact that Abdu Murray provides no information on his background as a Muslim or his 9 year investigation that lead him to become a second rate christian apologist, should be quite telling. If I was going to let some guy explain to me the tenets of my belief system, I would demand at least that much background information about him. I realize that is not something christians do.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 633 of 1086 (869324)
12-28-2019 11:49 AM
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12-28-2019 10:32 AM


Re: Examining The Evidence
quote:
While I have been privileged to receive several honorary doctorates from other institutions, to be clear, I have never earned a doctoral degree and was never enrolled at the University of Oxford or the University of Cambridge. And while I have lectured at Wycliffe Hall, I am not and have never been a professor at the University of Oxford. I recognize that academic terms and designations are important, and I apologize for any occasion on which I have wrongly titled my association with either of these institutions. For these reasons, I previously updated my curriculum vitae on the RZIM website to best reflect my educational and professional experience.
Exclusive: Ravi Zacharias Apologizes for False Claims about His Credentials at Oxford and Cambridge – Warren Throckmorton
Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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