Testing The Christian Apologists

Of course it's about you - it happened to you. Jesus spoke to YOU. It's a common experience across all religions and it's not confined to religion. All sorts of cults create these experiences. How do you explain Mohammed talking to people? It's got nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity it's a brain state. A delusion. It feels real but of course it isn't.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Why would a loving god blind you? The only way that they can be judged is if we manage to create a society that cares about its citizens. Part of that process is in recognising that the needs of people in this world are important and that wasting time, energy, politics and money on hoping for an improvement AFTER WE'RE DEAD. Is just plain stupid.But I'm sorry about your eye. Really.

According to you, someone called Eve fell not Phat. What's that got to do with Phat?And according to you god loves Phat. But he's allowed him to go blind and will eventually die. Strangely, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. How is he going to do that? By killing us? How loving.

The original sin here is all god's - condemning all life forever into the future for a 'sin' that they did not commit and that god knew would be committed anyway. What an evil git your fantasy god is. He doesn't seem to love our Phat at the moment. Oh, that's lovely - 'he could have made things even worse'. Well what a nice chap. That's just a childish delusion.

I do find it hard to discuss this stuff because you guys just introduce random nonsense that I'm supposed to take seriously. Satan ffs! (Weirdly, I've just noticed that Satan is an anagram of Santa.two total fictions.)How could a Satan exists if god didn't want him to?Sometimes I think I'm arguing with children. Really Phat you can't believe this drivel. It doesn't even makes sense in its own way.How can a loving god allow evil??? How can a loving god allow one of hisown devout believers to go blind? It's crazy.

Yet I point out how it CAN'T hold together at even a basic level and you can't refute it; you simply say 'I believe' Yes we know. But then we also know how you think. It sure is a thinking problem. It starts with you having to believe in a corrupted view of an ancient set of myths and then trying to make it make sense in a real world full of real knowledge. It's called motivated thinking. Which is an evil idea. *I* made up? It's got nothing to do with what I like. It's just an evil idea. Condemned for someone else's fictional sin - that's immoral.

What you don't get is that for me it's like arguing against someone that believes in the Tooth Fairy.I mean, what sort of drivel is that? Even supposing Luther had more knowledge about any of this than anyone else, it still doesn't make any sense.Why would god have devil? Why ffs?

Wow, a new low.Are you seriously comparing god to a capitalist that made guns? And are you now telling us that god is NOT responsible for everything?This god of yours is all powerful when he's doing stuff you like and a puny as a baby when not.

The culture, politics, armies, wealth and institutions are one thing. Their ludicrous belief system is quite another. See what I mean about fairytales stories? A total fabrication. It's too tragic to laugh I'm afraid. He was right there. Only a child *could* believe such drivel. A good fiction writer would blush to produce a script that bad.

Everyone likes a good story Faith. But most people understand that they are just stories.

Why would he say something he didn’t mean? In an entire life he would have said hundreds of thousands of things, we can reasonably suppose that those few that got written down for posterity - guided by god himself you tell us - are to be taken seriously.The spirit being weak is always the excuse, us being fallen an’ all, but it truth all that’s happening is a that you’ve hit on an inconvenience in the comforting message that you’d rather wasn’t there so you’ll put it to one side and pretend it’s not really meant.Just like you push the impossibility of a loving god that allows his children to suffer and die to one side. He moves in mysterious ways my arse.Humankind has created a god shaped comfort blanket covered in thorns that have to be flattened before it’s of any use. But they keep popping back up don’t they?

It's not hard to understand Phat, it's because that's what your book tells you that you should do. Over and over.Of course no-one in their right mind would do it, and nobody does - not even Faith who claims to be a biblical literalist, but that's not the point is it? It's very easy to rationalise away the message, but it's still there in black and white.The churches themselves are the biggest hypocrite of the lot of you, becoming some of the richest institutions in the world.Matthew 19:21 ESV / 234Jesus said to him, If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.Proverbs 28:27 ESV / 210Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.Mark 12:41-44 ESV / 187And he sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.Luke 21:1-4 ESV / 178Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And he said, Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on Organisation WorthThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints $67.0bn (alleged to be as much as $100.0 billion)
Catholic Church Germany $25bn
Catholic Church Australia $30bn
Church of England $7.8bn
Opus Dei (part of the Catholic Church) $2.8bn
Church of Scientology $2bn
Catholic Church Vatican $30bnList of wealthiest religious organizations - WikipediaEdited by Tangle, : No reason given.

The entire thing is hogwash Phat - but it is Jesus's core message in your book. I'm not clear about how you can reject it as hogwash while still maintaining a belief in it?Of course the general message is good, 'love thy neighbour', 'do as you would be done by' etc. But you don't need all the rest of the clap-trap to lead a good and useful life.

Have you considered that it might not be all be about you?It's worth remembering that in the lottery of life you're a winner, you've been born into a modern, wealthy Western democracy, the dice could have fallen very differently. The rest is up to you, you can waste your life whining about how unfair it all is and spending hours looking for hocus-pocus easy answers from a fictional god or just get on with it.

How do you manage to take exactly the wrong message from what people are saying so often? You seem to read everything through a Phat filter.Where you are born and who to is a lottery, that governs an enormous part of what is possible for you. Being born an orphan in a refugee camp in Libya is not going to be as easy as being born to middle class parents in Scandinavia is it?After that it's all about what you can do with the hand your dealt.