We are saved by Christ's sacrifice ALONE through grace ALONE and no works at all "lest any man should boast."
Not my conversation but I just have to comment.
Works, no works, makes no difference. No one's going to heaven. No one's going to hell. We're all going back to that great energy well called Earth scattered amongst its ecosystems and environments to be recycled yet again. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust.
Yes thermodynamics works irrevocably on the physical body but we are more than physical and your soul is immortal whether you **** it or not. I should think you would appreciate your own ******* human qualities which are certainly not physical but as God says He had to give up arguing with us for we are "but flesh" and flesh can't grasp the truth. He also says "Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God," it's for the human spirit. Thermodynamics operates because of the Fall, which deprived us of our spiritual sense and **** us "but flesh." This I know through revelation, it's not something a person of mere flesh, whose "breath is in his nostrils" rather than the breath of God, could grasp without revelation. You'd rather trust your fleshly senses unfortunately. I'm sorry.
External and objedtive refers to the revelation which is outside me and had to be learned because my own nature could never intuit it.
And I was **** you until my mid to late forties, just as much in the dark about these things because of my flesh as you are. But to you I'm just a ***** person so barring a miracle there is no hope. Oh but I do believe in miracles so there is some hope.
Losing the war for influence is unfortunately the result of a lack of vigilance against the world, the flesh and the devil. It is our own fault for that reason, certainly, but the spirit is a subtle thing and unbelievers are "but flesh' who cannot discern the truth, and the devil spends all his time affirming your fleshly beliefs, and the world is made up of fleshly human beings. There's a lot working against us and we have not been vigilant. We are always falling into sin and losing our spiritual compass.
You ignore the places where it is very clear tht we are saved by faith alone in Christ alone without works, and all scripture is to be interpreted in the light of other scripture. So the proper way to understand James' statements is that works validate faith but the faith comes first.
Abraham could not have sacrificed Isaac without strong faith in God. Rahab could not have been willing to *** for the Israelites without strong faith in their God.
Yes faith WITHOUT works is dead but that's a different subject than being saved by faith alone. THEN the works follow. You cannot have faith without works, which would only prove you weren't saved, but you are nevertheless saved by faith alone in Christ alone. Do you really want me to find all THOSE scriptures you so conveniently **** out?