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Taq
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Message 91 of 123 (865751)
10-30-2019 11:37 AM
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10-30-2019 5:41 AM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Faith writes:

Nothing the Left has been putting its hopes on has panned out.

What if it does pan out this time? Would you still give Trump a pass?

He didn't.

That's not what I asked. If any hypothetical president used tax payer dollars to get personal benefits from a foreign power would you support their removal from office?


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Message 92 of 123 (865764)
10-30-2019 12:59 PM
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10-30-2019 5:41 AM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Paraphrased:
but but but [voice=up an octave or two]HILLARY!!!!![/voice] and [voice=up an octave or two]BILL!!!!![/voice] WAAAAAH!!!!

Don't look at the evidence! Look over there!

What the hell are any of your jammerings about the Clintons and Biden supposed to have to do with the question of what Trump has done, whether he has done it, and what should be done about it?

IOW, you are playing the Trumpian game of diverting everybody's attention elsewhere so that you can escape the consequences of your actions. It's the same as you having driven through a school zone at 60mph and your first response to the cop who pulls you over for it is, "But those other drivers were also speeding! Why are you picking on me and not going out to catch those other speeders? Witch hunt!" There's even a term for your crude attempts at deception: "whataboutism" as in "But but but, what about Hillary?".

If Hillary and her campaign did anything wrong, then they should be investigated. Oh yeah, she has been. The same applies to anybody who has possibly done anything wrong, including Trump! Which is why Trump is being investigated.

I'm defending Trump because I know he's innocent and ...

Yeah, you keep saying that. You also keep insisting that he's done nothing wrong. Well, if you really and truly believe that, then you must be one of the most immoral people around.

Do you think that there's nothing wrong with using your public office to award yourself a government contract worth many millions of dollars? Or do even you realize how fundamentally and egregiously corrupt that is? Or even that corruption is wrong? Are you even aware that that kind of corruption has landed many politicians and public servants in prison, which means that corruption is treated as a crime?

Trump owns the Doral resort. He awarded himself the contract to hold the next G-7 meeting there. He committed that defining act of corruption: diverting government money to his own financial interests.

And before you try to *** yet again about that being fake, watch Mick Mulvaney make the announcement on 17 Oct: video of the press conference. That was the same press conference where Mulvaney verified that there was indeed a quid pro quo in the Ukraine phone call. At the end of the last G-7 Trump announced that he would host it at the Doral and then Mick Mulvaney announced that Trump had done it. Trump committed that act of corruption.

And before you object that Trump had to back out immediately so no foul, the law doesn't work that way. If you try to rob a bank and go in with guns out and announcing that this is a bank robbery but then you immediately leave because the bank is full of armed cops, that does not mean that you didn't do anything wrong. You would get hauled to jail immediately even you failed to carry through with the crime.

Trump committed an egregious act of corruption. He did it in plain sight, so we have millions of witnesses to that act of corruption.

Is it really your position that corruption is not wrong? Please explain.


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Message 93 of 123 (865768)
10-30-2019 1:47 PM
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10-30-2019 5:41 AM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Trump doesn't do many things well, but some of the things he is good at is misdirection, deflection, and turning defense into an offensive. His whole "grab 'em by the pussy" scandal backfired on the Clinton campaign when Bill was sitting in the audience and a handful of his accusers had a front row seat. Was pretty easy to derail because Bill was accused of actual sexual assault multiple times #MeToo, whereas Trump was accused of, what, locker room talk? Oh, the horror!!!

And, look, its acceptable to point out hypocrisy up to a point. Its acceptable to say its bullshit that Biden gets a pass but Trump doesn't. What isn't acceptable is whitewashing Trump on that account alone, because its got nothing to do with the price of tea in China. Trumpers need to stop deflecting Trump's accusations by trying to achieve parity with Biden's or Clinton's scandals because each of those cases are completely separate and have their details and backstory.

As to the Mueller Report, I have no earthly clue why Trumpers see that as a victory. That is just mystifying considering Mueller basically said, "yeah, we found enough to support the assertion, but its not an arrestable offense only because he's a sitting president." You really can't say that was a feather in the cap of Trump when he got off on a technicality.

I'm defending Trump because I know he's innocent

LOL, how do you know he's innocent? Did you tap the lines to the phone call? You often confuse fervent belief with unassailable fact.

he's been the target of a witch hunt by the Democrats since before he got into office.

Par for the course, so much so, it should be included in the job description. Was it not a witch hunt by the Republicans to force Obama out of office with their multiple attempts to impeach him? Every sitting president has a target on their back by the opposition. There's never been a president that wasn't the target of some kind of witch hunt, so that in and of itself shouldn't be credited towards anyone. It just is what it is.

They've found nothing, they've invented reams of accusations but found nothing that deserves impeachment or criminal charges. You call make lists and lists of his supposed crimes and misdemeanors but none of them even comes close to the list of actual felonies Starr came up with against Clinton. It's all wishful thinking. You are asking me what I think of made-up allegations that have no legal standing at all. Maybe they will eventually but they don't now, they are all the wishful thinking of the Democrats who hate Trump and are still smarting from Hillary's loss of the election to him.

Personally I think he will not only avoid impeachment but he will be a two-term president.... much to my chagrin. A lot of Democrats actually see this playing into his hands and I actually agree.


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Faith
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Message 94 of 123 (865770)
10-30-2019 2:22 PM
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10-30-2019 11:37 AM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
What if it pans out this time? You guys are so funny. For years you are sure sure sure you've "got 'im" and you never do, but "what about this time?" Ha ha.

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Faith
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Message 95 of 123 (865771)
10-30-2019 2:25 PM
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10-30-2019 1:47 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
What they have on Trump is trivial and not impeachable, not that they can't somehow impeach him anyway. I'm not whitewashing at all, I'm convinced he's innocent.

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Message 96 of 123 (865772)
10-30-2019 2:27 PM
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10-30-2019 12:59 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
You list stuff you think he did that's deserving of some kind of punishment and you ask me if I think it is or not. I have no idea, but nothing has ever stuck that's been tried so I suspect this won't stick either. He's not guilty of wrongdoing no matter what you think about this or that he's done. It's all stuff you dreamed up the way the Left is incessantly dreaming up stuff against Trump. There is no shortage of Leftist courts and experts of all sorts, I'll wait and see how it all turns out in the end.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 97 of 123 (865773)
10-30-2019 2:33 PM
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10-30-2019 2:27 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Here is the real question Faith.

When Articles of Impeachment are passed by the House and sent to the Senate and the Senate votes to have Trump Impeached and FIRED, how will you react?


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Message 98 of 123 (865774)
10-30-2019 2:35 PM
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10-30-2019 2:33 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
How would I know how I'll react. Depends on if I think it was legitimate or just another phase of the witch hunt. I'm not expecting it though. The House may impeach, sure, they've gone to great lengths to set it up so they may succeed, but I woujld be very surprised if the Senate supported it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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RAZD
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Message 99 of 123 (865776)
10-30-2019 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
10-30-2019 5:41 AM


let's keep one or two things straight, please.
... Democrats who hate Trump and are still smarting from Hillary's loss of the election to him.

Curiously I don't hate Humpty Dumbty Trumpty, I think he is incompetent to be president and that he engages in criminal behavior to enhance his person fortune and a narcissist that makes it easy for foreign officials to play him by catering to his need for approval.

Back in the bad old days it used to be that being a homosexual was a security risk because you could be played by threats of exposure. Is this any different? Saudi Arabia as a case in point, early on, made a big celebration of his first visit. They got increased arms then, and since then he has provided them with classified nulcear bomb technology. Saudi Arabia was behind 9-11, if you remember, and this also goes to his inexcusable behavior regarding Jamal Khashoggi's despicable horrid murder.

Second, Hillary lost the election by misplaying several issues, not least of which was dismissing and insulting all the Bernie supporters after corrupting the primary system. You don't make voters angry and then expect them to vote for you because of some lesser-evil metric allowing you to be almost as evil. She also misdirected where campaign energy was spent -- with a lot more in California than was necessary and not enough in swing states. Especially after insulting coal miners. It was one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen. So I blame Hillary for losing, not Trump. It was hers to lose and she did.

Curiously I predicted that outcome right after the Democrat Convention. The DNC is trying the same pogrom with Biden, but more people are not buy into it this time around.

Now ... has or is Trump committing illegal acts?

Does he golf at resorts he owns and has not divested himself from?

Yes OR No  

Does he personally profit from this activity?

Yes OR No  

That is activity that violates the emoluments clause of the constitution.

Has he asked other countries for help by digging up information on Biden?

Yes OR No  

That is activity that violates federal election law.

Has he interfered with and/or obstructed investigations of his and his aides behavior?

Yes OR No  

That is activity that violates federal laws

Has he aided a foreign country that is a US enemy (Russia) by not enforcing congress approved sanctions?

Yes OR No  

Has he aided a foreign country that is a US enemy (Russia) by withdrawal from Syria?

Yes OR No  

Providing aid to enemies is treason.

These are facts, Faith -- you can check them out on the internet if you are not already aware of them.

Take off the rose colored glasses Faith. Calling people that report illegal behavior liars does not change the actual evidence of illegal behavior, especially when it is documented and admitted to.

Trump makes Nixon look good.

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : checks backwards, black yes, white no

Edited by RAZD, : selection key

Edited by RAZD, : primary

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Message 100 of 123 (865777)
10-30-2019 3:04 PM
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10-30-2019 2:27 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
You have no idea whether corruption is wrong? Really?

Trump did indeed give his own property, Doral, the contract for millions of dollars to host the next G-7. That kind of corrupt act is straight from the first day lecture in Corruption 101.

Nor is anybody making that one up! Mick Mulvaney announced it at an official press conference. In front of millions of witnesses! How dare you try to wish that away along with the multitude of other offenses he has committed and continue to commit!

This particular egregious act of corruption is by no means Trump's main worry, because we're uncovering far greater offenses and crimes -- I'd be especially interesting in seeing what connections with Trump the unfolding saga of Giuliani, Lev, and Igor will reveal, along with Trump's tax returns.

But then here you are confessing that you have no idea what constitutes wrongdoing. So if you are so incapable of determining wrongdoing, how could you possibly pass judgement on the Clintons or Biben or your favorite boogeyman, "The Left"? That means that nothing you say can carry any weight at all, which we've known all along.


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Message 101 of 123 (865779)
10-30-2019 3:12 PM
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10-30-2019 2:58 PM


Re: let's keep one or two things straight, please.
Question, jar. Why did you mark all of those "NO"?

Trump makes Nixon look good.

Indeed, Trump has done so much for past presidents by making them look good:

  1. He makes Dubya look smart.
  2. He makes Nixon look honest.
  3. He makes Harding and his administration (known as the most corrupt in our history) look honest and stalwart.
  4. He makes Benedict Arnold look like a loyal American (OK, not a president, but then we've never had a traitor in the Oval Office before).

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Taq
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Message 102 of 123 (865786)
10-30-2019 4:35 PM
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10-30-2019 2:22 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Faith writes:

What if it pans out this time?

Why can't you answer the question?

If the evidence pans out and Trump did in fact do what the Democrats have accused him of, will you give Trump a pass? Yes or no?


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Message 103 of 123 (865788)
10-30-2019 4:43 PM
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10-30-2019 4:35 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Why can't you answer the question?

If the evidence pans out and Trump did in fact do what the Democrats have accused him of, will you give Trump a pass? Yes or no?

Let's ask the question: if Trump shot a random person in Times Square on camera for no reason would she give it a pass.

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Message 104 of 123 (865790)
10-30-2019 4:49 PM
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10-30-2019 3:12 PM


Re: let's keep one or two things straight, please.
dwise1 writes:

Question, jar. Why did you mark all of those "NO"?

It's majik.

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Message 105 of 123 (865798)
10-30-2019 7:05 PM
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10-30-2019 4:49 PM


Re: let's keep one or two things straight, please.
I thought that maybe you were using one of those GOP-approved electronic voting machines that change all your votes to what they "know you really meant to choose" (ie, vote their way).

Edited by dwise1, : Added smilie. Now I have to take a long very hot shower to try to cleanse myself.


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