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Message 106 of 123 (865799)
10-30-2019 7:08 PM
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10-30-2019 7:05 PM


Re: let's keep one or two things straight, please.
You mixed up attributions I fear.

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Message 107 of 123 (865811)
10-31-2019 8:41 AM
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10-30-2019 4:35 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
I'm not going to answer silly irrelevant tendentious questions. Insinuations? No thanks. We get enough of that in the Leftist media every day.

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Message 108 of 123 (865814)
10-31-2019 8:56 AM
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10-31-2019 8:41 AM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Why is the question silly or biased?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 109 of 123 (865817)
10-31-2019 10:52 AM
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Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Faith writes:

I'm not going to answer silly irrelevant tendentious questions.

You don't want to admit that you don't care if Trump is corrupt and is abusing his office.


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Message 110 of 123 (865821)
10-31-2019 11:32 AM
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10-30-2019 3:12 PM


Re: let's keep one or two things straight, please.
Not Jar btw ...

problem is how the buttons look (on my browser) seems backwards.

Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with me that ... /

The filled circle looks like the picked one versus the empty circle

Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with me that ... /

Same code, different background color

I've updated the post in question to alleviate this confusion.

Enjoy

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Message 111 of 123 (865842)
11-01-2019 1:21 AM
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10-29-2019 3:23 PM


Re: It really is simple Faith. Simpler than you think, jar
... in somethin [sic] I didn't hear very clearly on Limbaugh this morning...

As succinct a summation of your research style as I can imagine. It explains a great deal about the quality of your conclusions.


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Message 112 of 123 (865846)
11-01-2019 6:48 AM
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10-30-2019 4:43 PM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Not doing hypotheticals. That's all the Left has I understand, which is a good reason not to do them. This recent supposedly transparent official Impeachment Inquiry or whatever they call it simply isn't, no surprise there. The Republicans have due process except when Schiff or Pelosi say they don't. Ha Ha. And meanwhile there has not yet been one CHARGE they've established to impeach him over. Isn't that kind of fundamental? You come up with a charge and go from there. Funny with all those lists of Trump's supposed wrongdoings everybody keeps throwing around here you'd think they'd have one or two or a few charges to announce as what they are going to try to impeach him for. Gee, maybe they don't have any. Guess they'll have to make up a few. Which is of course all they've done so far anyway. But this is just another stall, nothing official is underway yet. What a miserable charade.

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Message 113 of 123 (865861)
11-01-2019 9:55 AM
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11-01-2019 6:48 AM


EDITED: ever heard "where there's smoke there's fire?"
Not doing hypotheticals. ...

Can I hold you to that? No more hypotheticals about evolution and the age of the earth? Certainly no more hypotheticals about an imaginary flood?

... That's all the Left has I understand, ...

Actually the adults in the room have quite a bit of real solid evidence on impeachable offensives, some committed in full view in public.

Awarding the G7 summit location to his Doral Resort for starters. He owns it, he will profit from it, this violates the emoluments clause.

Asking a foreign government for political help for two.

Obstruction of justice for three.

And his latest: bribing senators:

quote:
Trump Is Committing 'Felony Bribery' by Giving Fundraising Cash to GOP Senators Ahead of Impeachment Trial: Ex-Bush Ethics Lawyer
By Jason Lemon On 10/31/19 at 10:28 AM EDT

Attorney Richard Painter, who served as the chief White House ethics lawyer in the George W. Bush administration, warned on Thursday that President Donald Trump appeared to be committing "felony bribery" by giving Republican senators fundraising cash ahead of an increasingly likely impeachment trial in the Senate.

The lawyer shared an article published by Politico on Thursday morning. Titled "Trump lures GOP senators on impeachment with cold cash," the article outlined how the president is turning to his large network of donors to raise funds for a few senators facing difficult re-election campaigns in 2020. All of those senators have also signed a resolution condemning the Democratic-led impeachment inquiry.

"This is a bribe. Any other American who offered cash to the jury before a trial would go to prison for felony bribery. But he can get away with it?" Painter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, wrote on Twitter. "Criminal."


There's more. Ever heard the phrase "where there's smoke there's fire?"

... This recent supposedly transparent official Impeachment Inquiry or whatever they call it simply isn't, no surprise there. The Republicans have due process except when Schiff or Pelosi say they don't. Ha Ha. And meanwhile there has not yet been one CHARGE they've established to impeach him over. Isn't that kind of fundamental? You come up with a charge and go from there. ...

The impeachment inquiry hearings were held to determine if there were sufficient grounds to launch a formal impeachment hearing. They did, so now we have the formal public hearing to determine the charges to be made.

... You come up with a charge and go from there. ...

You gather evidence of a wrongdoing, then you make a charge of wrongdoing -- that is where we are.

Funny with all those lists of Trump's supposed wrongdoings everybody keeps throwing around here you'd think they'd have one or two or a few charges to announce as what they are going to try to impeach him for. Gee, maybe they don't have any. Guess they'll have to make up a few. Which is of course all they've done so far anyway. ...

Yep, lists of evidence for wrongdoings, lots of them. So now we go to the part where they are formalized into charges of impeachable offensives. What's made up are the pathetic excuses by the White House for not complying with the subpoenas.

... But this is just another stall, nothing official is underway yet. What a miserable charade.

Curiously it is the White House that is stalling and putting out smoke screens and trying to hide further evidence of their malfeasance.

Why do that if they are innocent? Smoke. "where there's smoke there's fire?"

We will see this unfold.

EDIT to correct in italics:

Trump has already made history: he is the FOURTH president to face impeachment (Nixon faced it but resigned before the votes to impeach were made).

Trump has done the same as Clinton regarding charges of impeachment (weasel out of that one), he was not convicted by the senate, but Trump has done more than have illicit affairs that he covered up. Things that may rise to treason.

Trump has done the same as Nixon regarding charges of impeachment (obstruction of justice, coverup), and Nixon resigned because he was told he would lose in the Senate.

Where there's smoke there's usually fire. Looks like a LOT of fires to me ...

Enjoy

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Edited by RAZD, : correction


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Message 114 of 123 (865864)
11-01-2019 10:43 AM
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11-01-2019 9:55 AM


Re: ever heard "where there's smoke there's fire?"
And don't forget keeping two sets of books. Al had the same issue and he got free room and board.

Edited by jar, : to--->two


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Message 115 of 123 (865867)
11-01-2019 11:03 AM
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11-01-2019 6:48 AM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
Faith writes:

Not doing hypotheticals. That's all the Left has I understand, which is a good reason not to do them.

They have witnesses who are saying that there was a quid pro quo of money for investigations into Biden. This isn't a hypothetical.

The Republicans have due process except when Schiff or Pelosi say they don't.

House Republicans have no right to due process because they are not being tried in a trial. House Republicans are not being charged with a crime.

You really need to learn what due process is. Not hypothetically what due process is, but what it actually is. No one has the right to have their lawyers question witnesses as investigators are questioning those witnesses. No one has a right to face their accusers in a grand jury trial. That's not how due process works.

And meanwhile there has not yet been one CHARGE they've established to impeach him over.

That's what they are doing right now, getting the evidence to determine if there were impeachable offenses. Do you think due process means the police can't investigate anything until there is an indictment? You have the process entirely backwards.

Funny with all those lists of Trump's supposed wrongdoings everybody keeps throwing around here you'd think they'd have one or two or a few charges to announce as what they are going to try to impeach him for.

They will announce them once they feel they have gathered all of the evidence.


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Message 116 of 123 (865871)
11-01-2019 12:25 PM


absolute immunity???
quote:
Judge Pushes Back On Trump Lawyers Trying To Block Possible Impeachment Witnesses

A federal judge on Thursday fired skeptical questions at lawyers for the Trump administration who argued that current and former senior White House aides have "absolute immunity" from being questioned by House impeachment investigators.

The hearing, before U.S. District Judge Ketanji Jackson in Washington, was the first time Trump lawyers tested in open court their attempt to block White House aides from cooperating with the impeachment inquiry into the president.

Jackson at times struggled with the Trump administration's argument that former White House counsel Don McGahn does not have to comply with a subpoena filed by House Democrats for him to sit for testimony related to conversations he was party to that could implicate Trump in possible articles of impeachment for obstruction of justice.

"So what does the separation of powers mean to you then?" Jackson asked Trump administration lawyers. "How can the legislature actively exert its oversight power unless it has the ability to exercise its investigative powers?"

James Burnham, a lawyer with the Justice Department, responded that applying "absolute immunity" to current and former aides close to the Oval Office is "not an exotic thing that we just cooked up." Burnham said it has been the legal position of the White House for decades so that information covered by executive privilege will not be exposed.

Jackson sounded incredulous at this line of argument, noting the difficulty in enforcing it given the number of White House aides who have cycled through the Trump administration. The judge said Trump does not invoke that concern when former White House staff appear on cable news.

"For some reason, the president doesn't own it when former officials appear on MSNBC," Jackson said.

House attorney Doug Letter, who previously spent decades working in the Department of Justice, said the Trump administration "made up" the concept that all senior Trump aides have an absolute shield from any kind of testimony.

"This is what they wish the law were. It is not what the law is," Letter said.

He said it may be the current position of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, but those opinions change with administrations and sometimes conflicting opinions exist at once. More importantly, Letter said, a Justice Department legal opinion should not persuade a federal court.

"It's interesting like a law review article is interesting, but it's not binding on you or Congress," Letter said to the judge.


This "absolute immunity" argument could have serious impact on the balance of power.

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Message 117 of 123 (865872)
11-01-2019 12:33 PM
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11-01-2019 11:03 AM


Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
They have witnesses who are saying that there was a quid pro quo of money for investigations into Biden. This isn't a hypothetical.

Oh really. "They have witnesses who are saying" just about anything they want them to say, but it still hasn't amounted to anything but hot air. And I note you don't name these "witnesses." But that's standard for the Left, it's always an unnamed witness or official or whistleblower we often never get to hear named. But they get away with this scam.

And then if we do find out it will still be a bunch of hot air anyway, it will turn out that the quid pro quo was not what it was insinuated to be or it was perfectly SOP or something.

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Message 118 of 123 (865873)
11-01-2019 12:39 PM


Trump is a crook
With a long history of obstructing justice.

Newsweek

Over the course of decades, Donald Trump's companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders

Yes, the truth is coming out, Faith. And it isn’t what you want to see,

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Message 119 of 123 (865876)
11-01-2019 12:59 PM
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Re: All the accusations of Trump are nothing but wishful thinking
And I note you don't name these "witnesses."

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Message 120 of 123 (865877)
11-01-2019 1:01 PM
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Re: Trump is a crook
And we see the same tactics now as in 1973, when the Trumps were accused of refusing to let apartments to African-Americans.

Shortly after the government filed its case in October, Trump attacked: He falsely declared to reporters that the feds had no evidence he and his father discriminated against minorities...

Trump submitted an affidavit contending that the government had engaged in some unspecified wrongdoing by releasing statements to the press on the day it brought the case without first having any "formal communications" with him; he contended that he'd learned of the complaint only while listening to his car radio that morning. But Trump's sworn statement was a lie. Court records show that the government had filed its complaint at 10 a.m. and phoned him almost immediately afterward.

Trump announced in a press conference that his family and their company were bringing a $100 million countersuit against the government for libel; anonymous tenants and community leaders, he said, had been calling and writing letters expressing shock at the government's "outrageous lies."

Yet when the government filed its standard discovery requests, the Trumps reacted as though seeking that information was outrageous. They argued in court that prosecutors had no case and wanted to riffle through corporate files on a fishing expedition.

They were then hit with a new delaying tactic. The Trumps submitted a filing based on statements by Trump that radically misrepresented what had occurred that day. He claimed a prosecutor, Donna Goldstein, had arrived at the company without notifying the Trumps' counsel, refused to telephone their lawyer and demanded access to Trump's office. The prosecutor—accompanied, the Trumps claimed, by five "stormtroopers"—then banged on doors throughout the office, insisting she and her team be allowed to "swarm haphazardly through all the Trump files and to totally disrupt their daily business routine."

The same tactics we see today, and used for the same reason. Trump is guilty as hell.


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