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Author Topic:   Regarding the illusion of confidence
ssope
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Message 1 of 18 (865598)
10-17-2019 3:09 PM


If you measure something 20 times and say it's an inch, you're wrong. Your measurement will vary based on the precision of the equipment you used. If you say something can't be in two places at once, you're wrong. Quantum mechanics has proven the superposition principle to be true. If you say time is constant, you're wrong. If GPS didn't take time dilation into account it wouldn't work. If you can't be certain about the simplest of things, explain to me how you are certain that God is not real?

Furthermore, to add to this topic, I bring up dark matter to showcase the idea and fact that there are scientific realities that are nearly imperceptible. There are physical characteristics of this reality that are impervious to detection.

Additionally,

Paul M. Sutter writes:

"our models and theories are representations and approximations of reality as we perceive it. That is not truth. The biggest giveaway is that scientific theories change with time. As we acquire new information or new data we have to update all of our beliefs. So how can it be the absolute truth if it is subject to change at a moment's notice"

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ssope
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Message 3 of 18 (865600)
10-18-2019 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
10-17-2019 3:35 PM


Re: Considering This Topic
There is no claim or mention about "measuring God" in my topic. Your statement there doesn't really make sense to me. Also, it does not matter what device you use, there is an error associated with every measurement. Say you wanted a plant to manufacture a cylinder with an inch radius, as an engineer you would have to use something called geometric dimensions and tolerances to provide that manufacturer with the greatest error your part could tolerate because no one can manufacture an perfect one inch radius cylinder.

This topic is simply presenting a reasonable doubt to people who claim to be certain in their denial of God. It is presenting the inherent uncertainty in the very nature of science.

This might belong in the "is it science?" category

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ssope
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Message 6 of 18 (865603)
10-28-2019 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by AdminPhat
10-18-2019 11:59 AM


Re: Considering This Topic
I will participate, but I won't be subjected to immediate responses, I still plan to respond to comments in my first topic. These discussions involve concepts and facts that exist inside an inseparably inter-connected web of other facts and concepts. It is my opinion that all content on this forum should be well thought out, and it should be your opinion too.

Furthermore, to add to this topic, I bring up dark matter to showcase the idea and fact that there are scientific realities that are nearly imperceptible. There are physical characteristics of this reality that are impervious to detection.

Additionally, "our models and theories are representations and approximations of reality as we perceive it. That is not truth. The biggest giveaway is that scientific theories change with time. As we acquire new information or new data we have to update all of our beliefs. So how can it be the absolute truth if it is subject to change at a moment's notice"
-->Paul Sutter

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ssope
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Message 9 of 18 (865608)
10-28-2019 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Tangle
10-28-2019 4:34 AM


tangle writes:

Science does not deal in 'absolute truths' or 'beliefs'


You're not using those words correctly. Truth = a fact or belief that is accepted. Belief = an acceptance that a concept is true. Fact = a thing that is known or proved to be true
[source =merriam-webster]

tangle writes:

It's science that tells you that the accuracy of measurements are dependent on multiple variables


Science doesn't "tell you" anything, the mind forms conclusions based on the instruments you used to obtain the raw information

tangle writes:

It calculates the error bars


What is "it"? Science is a systematically organized body of knowledge. Science is not arithmetic.

Also, you highlight my mention of dark matter in a derogatory way without providing a reason to view it that way.


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