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Author Topic:   Dominant Force in West Today According to Dennis Prager is Fear of Left
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Message 19 of 308 (866401)
11-10-2019 4:14 PM
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11-10-2019 4:08 PM


Re: Nice hate piece hit job on liberalism
It is interesting... I too googled him and found this incident on the White House lawn. These people are behaving as bad as we occasionally get in our rants. I worry about the world we live in. It seems that infantile behavior is being practiced by fully grown (yet obviously not mature) adults!

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Message 21 of 308 (866403)
11-10-2019 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Theodoric
11-10-2019 4:12 PM


Calling News "Fake" is another excuse for ignoring it.
Note the lady in the video I posted above. Her voice can be heard crowing about how fake news is over. I saw this war of ideologies coming years ago. And I predict that Christianity itself will be increasingly attacked and denigrated as not politically (or socially) correct. Granted we have it coming. We are often focused on the wrong issues and make ourselves look increasingly stupid and intolerant.

On the other hand, Christians will not simply flow with the cultural norm as it changes and evolves because we believe that humans are incapable of achieving the right morality in and of themselves. This leads to a whole new series of arguments...and I am guessing that you will demand evidence and facts to back up my assertion.

Disclaimer: It is just an opinion.

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Message 25 of 308 (866407)
11-10-2019 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
11-10-2019 4:13 PM


Re: Prager is a racist, homophobic, islamophobic and a misogynist
This is how it starts, though. Each of us have strong beliefs and opinions on which political ideology we support and why. Usually the opponents of our ideology are seen by us as personally attacking our character and the character of the leaders whom we respect. In your case, you will stand shoulder to shoulder with Donald Trump and support him, which is your freedom. Theo may stand shoulder to shoulder with someone whom you despise...perhaps Obama, Hillary, or Sanders.

It is a foregone conclusion that we all will disagree and often passionately. The key in all of this is to avoid becoming critical, dispassionate, and ultimately vindictive and hateful towards one another. Theo could choose better words than "vile piece of shit" to express his disagreement with your group.

Personally I believe that we are in the early stages of a war of ideologies and contrasting world views. I feel that this war will continue and will escalate in the coming years.

The only thing that we need to fear is God. We are commanded to love even our enemies. Of course, FDR phrased it as The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

I am going to step out of this topic and moderate it, however. I cannot do both.

Also I will be out of commission for a couple of weeks, as I have an operation coming up.

Edited by AdminPhat, : wrong attribution

Edited by Thugpreacha, : added input


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Thugpreacha
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Message 40 of 308 (866434)
11-11-2019 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Theodoric
11-10-2019 5:53 PM


The Populist Mindset
You did start me thinking about the root causes of this ideological "war" that society is increasingly involved in. It is my understanding that Trump's "base" is labeled as Populists.
Dictionary writes:

a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
"the question is whether he will tone down his fiery populism now that he has joined the political establishment"
support for populist politicians or policies.
"the government came to power on a wave of populism"
the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people.
"art museums did not gain bigger audiences through a new populism"

It then occurred to me that populism is an offshoot of white privilege. Though not a populist, I can identify with much of how they think. I have no concerns about being marginalized as long as the other cultures asserting themselves throughout the world don't attempt to minimize my position in life. Critics would say that the essence of white privilege is that it is perpetuated by maintaining an artificial construct.

Theodoric writes:

Christians will not be attacked and denigrated. They will just be marginalized and have no one but themselves to blame.

many of us resent being placed as just another one of many belief systems. We believe that our way is the truth. Granted this can be seen to be simply another artificial construct, but I am no fan of Christian Nationalism. I suppose that Jesus warned us we would be persecuted. You see it all as a myth because you fall for the mythicists position.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 48 of 308 (866461)
11-11-2019 3:46 PM
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11-11-2019 3:07 PM


Re: The Populist Mindset
ringo writes:

I see it as a myth because it walks like a myth and quacks like a myth.

Long John Silver is a myth. Why don't you ever use quotes from that book?

That's exactly what Christianity is.
Only to unbelievers. As long as there are Christians around, and I might add Nationalists in particular, Christianity will never be placed in the middle of the pack in the fiction section. Only if we truly became Christlike and humble would all of the Nationalistic rhetoric go away.

Secular Humanism is too threatening to many of us. Fear of secularism and inclusivism could be said to also be a driving force in the West today. Because of the whole white privilege explanation, which I have read, Christian nationalism will likely continue to impact US politics for the next 50 years. If we survive that long.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 90 of 308 (866613)
11-13-2019 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Percy
11-12-2019 7:25 PM


Re: Irony
Percy, addressing Faith writes:

What criteria are you applying to determine the trustworthiness of a source, besides whether or not it pleases you?

One reason why I by and large trust the new York Times and Washington Post is because I was taught that having accurate sources was a demand by the editors of these publications. Some of the smaller and more extreme news services are more interested in gaining and keeping an audience.

I suppose that theoretically we all are charged to question everything--especially in today's world. There is no reason to doubt a reputable source, however. Otherwise what ends up happening is what I have mentioned before: A Global War of Ideas and Ideology. Do you see this happening, Percy or am I being delusional?

Percy writes:

I think just engaging in discussion instead of excoriation would be nice.

I had to look that word up. Do we tend to pick at each others skin?

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 97 of 308 (866643)
11-13-2019 7:02 PM
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11-13-2019 5:32 PM


Re: Leftist ideology and economics
ringo always tells me that ganging up on the rich won't work and that Jesus commands us to give to the least of these no matter what...thus the middle class will get poorer so the poor can get fed. Which then leaves us with a few very wealthy people and everyone else lumped in one group. Which I disagree with.

Apparently he thinks that if I have enough of a nest egg to retire on, (which does not make me wealthy, by the way) I am as bad as the rich young ruler and that scripture clearly tells *all of us* to give everything we have. Which I'm not sure I like. There is a fine line between having too much and having enough.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 99 of 308 (866645)
11-14-2019 12:34 AM
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11-13-2019 10:00 PM


Re: Leftist ideology and economics
I think what she means is health 28%+Social Security 25.3% which combined equal 53.3%, as if we even should be allowed to mess with those! They better not touch either one of them or they will awaken an angry sleeping giant within the US middle class.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 108 of 308 (866673)
11-14-2019 11:43 AM
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11-14-2019 10:59 AM


Re: Leftist ideology and economics
NOT everyone is called to give all that they have. Think about it. If everyone in America gave "all that they had" their kids would be unable to attend college. There would be no automobile sales...nor many other consumer goods. Nobody would have anything beyond a small social security stipend to retire on. Don't you see the obvious social ramifications? Or do you revel in your preconceived utopian dream of socialism?
It's just what you must do to be saved.
Zacheus the tax collector willingly gave half and was not reprimanded. The rich young ruler was one person given one specific command. it is not automatic for all of us except symbolically--that yes, we are to give up what holds us back. One cant very well help give out spare change if they have no house themselves and if they have no money.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 110 of 308 (866675)
11-14-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by ringo
11-14-2019 11:59 AM


Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
ringo writes:

Why would the requirement for salvation be different for different people?

because people are different. My friend is in ministry to help the homeless. He is the cook at a soup kitchen in a street ministry. He is nearly homeless himself, living in one room with his older mother. But he is 40, and strong and healthy. I am 60, have Type II Diabetes, Sleep apnea, and diabetic complications. Were I in his position I likely would never have been able to have this eye operation, would be blind, and likely to lose my feet. Thus I need a place to stay. I too live in a one-bedroom apartment. Nothing fancy, but it is necessary for my survival, as is my job.
That's what I have
I too would have the same thing. My basic point is that God (or Jesus) would never call on anyone to be homeless unless He had a specific mission for them, such as he did the Disciples. Not everyone is called to leave everything they have behind and go trotting around the country like a vagabond. Even you have the shelter of the local library in which to spend your days, and home to sleep in at night. Would you give up your home?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 112 of 308 (866686)
11-14-2019 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by ringo
11-14-2019 12:46 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
ringo writes:

The members of the early church believed they were called to hold what they needed in common and give the rest to the poor - i.e. they were called to embrace socialism.

Point taken. Socialism wont work though without accepting the messenger. Secular Humanism is bankrupt in regards to advancing humanity. Humanity needs a Savior.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 114 of 308 (866688)
11-14-2019 4:00 PM
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11-14-2019 3:51 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
I would argue that there is evidence that Jesus Christ has been and continues to be a Savior. Our next step is to identify what is expected of a Savior.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 117 of 308 (866692)
11-14-2019 4:13 PM
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11-14-2019 4:07 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
Are you suggesting that everyone who has changed due to finding salvation was delusional? All of them? Also, have you not seen the influence of Christianity in positively effecting cultural morality? Granted we have had our Andrew Jacksons and Christian nationalism as well... I'm talking about positive changes. Surely the collective voice of changed lives is more compelling than confirmation that they all drank the kool-aid.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Thugpreacha
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Message 122 of 308 (866713)
11-14-2019 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by DrJones*
11-14-2019 8:00 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
what are we being saved from?
Our own unenlightened animal brain. Humans represented the one animal that moved on into life, unlike any other animal. Evidently the Creator took interest in this species...though critics accuse the species itself of anthropomorphizing God. By nature alone, we will either destroy ourselves or become an evil hybrid ready to defeat others. Manifest destiny continued. The Creator of all seen and unseen intervened. We have an opportunity to establish a universal relationship, but not on our own brutish and cunning terms.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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Message 124 of 308 (866717)
11-14-2019 10:43 PM
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11-14-2019 9:43 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
OK Dr.Jones, if you honestly think that humans can make it, get past our competitive destructive phase amongst ourselves and venture out like Star Trek, I hope you are right...even if it makes me wrong

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction .
"~Thugpreacha

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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