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Author Topic:   Dominant Force in West Today According to Dennis Prager is Fear of Left
Percy
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Message 58 of 308 (866507)
11-12-2019 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Hyroglyphx
11-12-2019 10:17 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
Hyroglyphx writes:

I didn't drop a single name!

You basically named and impugned everyone:

Hyroglyphx in Message 50 writes:

EvC has basically always been a huge echo chamber and circle jerk for left-leaning ideologues certain of their righteousness. The boot-licking, ass-kissing, lap dogs around here (of which there are many) have license to spew whatever invective they please while you seem to have a different set of rules.

Moving on:

Whatever. You're an outsider, as am I. It is what it is.

So now you're being honest with yourself that you're no moderate? Your avatar is false, too. It's incomprehensible that you don't admit being a fellow traveler with the alt-right and Trump, given that your views so closely align with theirs.

But you and Faith could have a wonderful discussion. Premise: Trump is a wonderful president.

I wonder if you and Faith agree on immigration. I'm reading Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline right now. One of the points it makes is that most countries of the western world have a fertility rate below replacement rate, which means their populations are decreasing. Replacement rate is 2.1, and we're at 1.8. Japan's is at 1.44, and their population has already started to decline. We and western Europe will soon follow them. Eastern Europe's population decline has already begun. Bulgaria has declined from 9 million in 1985 to 7 million today.

Fertility rates decline as women's rights and education increase, and the answer is immigration, something the right seems firmly against. Despite the opposition the U.S. accepts about a million immigrants per year, but if we don't want to have a declining population, if we don't want to be hollowed out from the inside, then that number needs to rise to about three million per year.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 60 of 308 (866509)
11-12-2019 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Faith
11-12-2019 11:14 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
Faith writes:

Oh aren't you cleverly devious. Or course you're right, we couldn't be right, oh no, that's the EvC party line. Of course you're right.

Reminds me of the 1964 Barry Goldwater slogan, "In your heart you know he's right," to which the Democrats replied, "In your heart you know he's very right."

--Percy


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Message 79 of 308 (866538)
11-12-2019 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
11-12-2019 11:39 AM


Re: Irony
Faith writes:

I wonder why I doubt this report.

You doubt most true things that don't comport with your worldview. In this case you can watch it happening. This one is edited down to just the key portions:

This one is an MSNBC news report. At one point there's video of the audience of Trump supporters shouting "Q&A, Q&A" in unison. Apparently the cancelling of the Q&A session was not popular:

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 85 of 308 (866573)
11-12-2019 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Faith
11-12-2019 3:07 PM


Re: Irony
Faith writes:

Why should I believe they are Trump supporters. What's the evidence?

The reporters said that's who predominantly made up the audience, and who else would be interested in Donald Trump Jr. talking about his book?

Doesn't sound like a conservative crowd to me.

It sounds like a crowd upset that the Q&A portion had been cancelled.

--Percy


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Message 86 of 308 (866574)
11-12-2019 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Faith
11-12-2019 3:07 PM


Re: Irony
This is from Fox News citing The Guardian: Donald Trump Jr sparks protests, fan support during stop at UCLA:

quote:
Trump Jr.'s appearance was marked by an argument between him and the audience over why he would not take questions, The Guardian newspaper reported. Trump was greeted with shouts of "USA! USA!" when he first appeared on the stage of a lecture hall, but members of the audience eventually turned to louder, openly hostile chants of "Q and A! Q and A!" after they were told he would not take questions, the newspaper reported.

The Guardian said that Trump Jr. told the audience that taking questions from the floor risked creating soundbites that left-wing social media posters would abuse and distort.


This is from The Guardian article Donald Trump Jr walks out of Triggered book launch after heckling – from supporters:

quote:
But the appearance backfired when his own supporters, diehard Make America Great Again conservatives, raised their voices most loudly in protest and ended up drowning him out barely 20 minutes into an event scheduled to last two hours.

The audience was angry that Trump Jr and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, would not take questions. The loud shouts of “USA! USA!” that greeted Trump when he first appeared on the stage of a university lecture hall to promote his book Triggered: How The Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us quickly morphed into even louder, openly hostile chants of “Q and A! Q and A!”


--Percy


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Percy
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Message 88 of 308 (866582)
11-12-2019 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
11-12-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Irony
Faith writes:

And I should trust the Guardian, why?

Fox News evidently trusted the Guardian enough that they passed its reporting on to their own readers. What criteria are you applying to determine the trustworthiness of a source, besides whether or not it pleases you?

Sorry this is just too fishy. Are you unaware of all the leftist infiltrations of conservative events over the last few years?

Pretty much.

Oh gosh, I guess we aren't allowed to talk about all that at EvC are we? Nope, can't use the word "Leftist" or anything that identifies the Left as the evil force it is in today's world. Nope.

I think just engaging in discussion instead of excoriation would be nice.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 92 of 308 (866625)
11-13-2019 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Thugpreacha
11-13-2019 7:58 AM


Re: Irony
Thugpreacha writes:

Oh gosh, I guess we aren't allowed to talk about all that at EvC are we? Nope, can't use the word "Leftist" or anything that identifies the Left as the evil force it is in today's world. Nope.

I think just engaging in discussion instead of excoriation would be nice.

I had to look that word up. Do we tend to pick at each others skin?

The meaning of excoriation in this context is "to severely criticize." I was expressing my preference for an on-topic discussion over off-topic and sarcastic excoriation about moderation. A proclivity for this type of diversion, sometimes directed at individuals, sometimes at everyone, will of course bring one into conflict with board moderation, but that's not the topic of this thread.

Faith never really responded to any of the substance of my Message 86, merely questioning the trustworthiness of The Guardian. Whatever criteria she's applying in determining what news sources to trust, she's not saying.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 105 of 308 (866667)
11-14-2019 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Theodoric
11-14-2019 8:42 AM


Re: Leftist ideology and economics
but what I heard

No one cares what you "heard". Provide data and sources. What you heard is irrelevant and when what you herd is looked at it is usually shown to be incorrect or extremely misleading.
So how about providing actual figures and sources?

There are different ways of looking at the numbers, but I think the total cost of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and miscellaneous other welfare programs represents about 48% of government spending. Here's a chart I found at US Government Entitlement Spending History with Charts - a www.usgovernmentspending.com briefing:

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Improve clarity.


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Message 120 of 308 (866705)
11-14-2019 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Thugpreacha
11-14-2019 4:13 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
Thugpreacha writes:

Are you suggesting that everyone who has changed due to finding salvation was delusional? All of them?

If you think that everyone who believed in Odin and Thor was delusional then yes, all of them.

Also, have you not seen the influence of Christianity in positively effecting cultural morality?

I've seen that atheists commit crimes at a lower rate than Christians. Does that count?

Granted we have had our Andrew Jacksons and Christian nationalism as well... I'm talking about positive changes.

Sure, let's just consider the positive stuff and skip the negative stuff.

Surely the collective voice of changed lives is more compelling than confirmation that they all drank the kool-aid.

What is the ratio of changed lives for the better to changed lives for the worse?

--Percy


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Message 160 of 308 (866818)
11-16-2019 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
11-12-2019 3:01 PM


Re: Irony
Faith writes:

Why should I believe they are Trump supporters. What's the evidence?

The chants of "USA, USA" and other Trump slogans at the beginning made clear it was a strongly predominant Trump crowd, and it was the same crowd shouting "Q&A, Q&A" when Trump Jr. left the stage. The campus newspaper reporter said there was only one vocal anti-Trump supporter, and she was shown wearing a hijab in one of the videos.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 164 of 308 (866826)
11-16-2019 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:17 AM


Re: Irony
Faith writes:

What you aren't getting is that infiltrators are going to act like Trump supporters so they can provide the fake news of shouting him off the stage.

You live in an active fantasy world.

I simply don't know of any actual Trump supporters who would have done that to Trump Jr.

Since you hardly know anyone, especially in that age group, this is an empty assertion.

But perhaps you have better evidence.

You can't compare your evidence to mine because you've provided no evidence. All you've provided is denial and false bluster. I provided two videos. Here's another video of conservative Meghan McCain taking on Donald Trump Jr. on The View:

Being a Trump supporter doesn't mean supporting everything Trump or everyone in his family does.

--Percy


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Message 170 of 308 (866843)
11-16-2019 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Thugpreacha
11-16-2019 12:57 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
Thugpreacha writes:

If I am on the wrong side God will correct me.

If you're on the wrong side and there is no God, what then?

Or maybe there is a God and he's been correcting you for a long time, but like the guy in the flood the help wasn't in the form you expected, so you rejected it.

--Percy


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Message 185 of 308 (867077)
11-19-2019 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Thugpreacha
11-19-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
411: Why don't you become a Unitarian Universalist?

I'm not going to listen to this but did want to comment on the Unitarian Universalist religion. It is a bastard religion of no spiritual value formed by the merger of the Unitarians with the Universalists. The merger destroyed Unitarianism as Universalist non-religious dogma took over. A few independent Unitarian churches do remain.

--Percy


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